otb,

I am a bit puzzled that you don't understand
the point being made regarding the importance
of moderation in the education of young Muslims,
Like the type preached by Aftab Malik in the
link I cited earlier. Did you not read the link
I gave, or are you now merely stirring?

Anyway, I shall repeat:

Aftab Malik is a teacher who's teaching Muslims the following -
underlying message:

1) Muslims need to be merciful to themselves and others.

2) Knowledge about Islam had to be taken from
authoritative individuals and not autodidacts.

3) Shariah (Islamic Law) is not a static force, but
something that is fluent and dynamic as those interpreting it.

4) Religious extremism (or zealots) has no place in the
faith and it needed to be rejected.

This is the type of education by moderate teachers like
Malik that is needed.

Foxy,

What's Malik's teaching on monogamy?

I can't find it.

we conveniently ignore that the 9/11 bombers were highly educated in America. One day we will stop being dumb enough to believe that education can change a rotton corrupt heart.

Foxy, "This is the type of education by moderate teachers like Malik that is needed"

I am not puzzled that you arrogantly believe that you have the 'solution' that continues to evade authorities in the UK and Europe.

I say good on Malik and there should be many more like him, but the combined years of experience of the UK and Europe does not support your contention that the solution lies in State education alone. That cannot replace what is taught in the home, for starters.

I am reminded too of your belief as expressed before in other threads that much if not the lion's share of the 'education' you speak of should be directed at the population of the host/adoptive country.l Because you direct the lion's share, if not all of the blame onto the host country's own citizens, alleging 'racism'. You have no concern for importing noxious traditions and cultural practices, believing too that all will be good citizens in a generation if not immediately.

'Good citizens' as you would define them though, for you believe they should be changing and displacing the inherited Australian culture and traditions, and most likely laws and system of government as well.

The violent offenders that the police are able to arrest through breaking the cultural wall of silence are in your world not really responsible for their foul deeds either, being somehow 'made' to do it through what you foolishly believe to be the treatment they receive from the host country's citizens.

Now you can go right ahead and claim to be misrepresented, but these are attitudes, rather the prejudices you consistently direct at your fellow Australians, who contrary to your dim view of them have excelled in the world since WW2 in taking in migrants and displaced persons, and giving them immediate, equal entitlements to all welfare. health benefits and the like.Added to that, preferential treatment for jobs in the public services for instance. But you never give Aussies credit for any of it, preferring to sledge them at every opportunity.

Again, specifically what 'education' are you really talking about?

otb,

I can see that you are having a great deal of
difficulty in understanding the point that I
am trying to make. The education that I am
referring to is the one that is given by
Islamic scholars to their communities.
Therefore the point being made is that
moderate Islamic scholars like Malik are needed.
I am not suggesting anything else.

As for the specifics? - I've already stated a few of Malik's
messages from his first lecture. Below are the second and
third (and final) of his lecture series, from Sydney.
Perhaps after reading the lectures you will have a
better understanding of what I am trying to say.
If not, then I can't do any more for you. Your comprehension is
not something over which I have any control.

Dear Is Mise,

I don't know what Malik's stand is on polygamy.
I did not attend any of his lectures, nor am I an expert
on the Islamic scholar. I can only speak on the impression
that I got from his lecture series as given on the web.
And he strikes me as a moderate. It may help for you to read
the links I've given - and you could perhaps make up your
own mind on what it would be.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/08/05/3818249.htm

And -

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/08/29/3836721.htm

onthebeach,
The fact is that Muslim schools are religiously exclusive. When they open a school they employ Christian teachers [as in Western Sydney} but once the school is established and has its accreditation they reduce the Christian teachers and employ Muslim Arabic speaking teachers. I had Christian friends working in a school in Western Sydney and as the Christian teachers left, the outdoor activity curriculum was reduced and the religious learning of the Koran was increased. These were supposedly moderate Muslims.