Um, no.
Is Mise, if their sexual orientation is already in place by childhood, I assume they didn't 'choose' it, given they are unlikely to know sexual differences at this time!

I took it to mean that it may not only mean there is a genetic component for nature to decide on the sexual orientation of a child, but also maybe some environmental aspect?
The science is obviously still out on that one.

What it DOES mean is that it is highly unlikely that teenagers 'choose' their sexual orientation themselves, which is what many misguided individuals think.

Hi, this thread looks to have got a bit out of control. Something about gay marriage appears to have deteriorated into various rants dwelling on the physical side of gay relationships. This isn't a forum for lavatory jokes. I'll start deleting posts from hereonin if needs be.

Graham

the issue..seems to stem..
from/miss-interpretation..of..romans..
miss-reading..the context..of..1;28..[context..is everything]
but first..[before explaining full context..[roams..1;15-32]

first..to explain..1;18/use/meaning..of heaven
from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_and_Hell_(Swedenborg)
The..Christian/Marriage Idea..=heaven]..
[you are/not alone]
[alone=all-one]

According to Swedenborg,..married life..continues after/death..
as before,..his..assurances tell them..their love..will surmount death
and/that..they will live again..and love again..in human-form.
http://www.swedenborgdigitallibrary.org/ES/epic38.htm

In other words,..there is no..“till death/do.us part”..of happily married couples..(See..“Jesus and..Paul on/the Eternity..of Marriage”
http://swedenborgproject.org/2011/08/22/jesus-and-paul-on-the-eternity-of-marriage/

Swedenborg..also says..that Christian/marriage/love..of one man and one woman..is the highest*..of all loves,..the source of..the greatest-bliss.

“For..in themselves/marriages are...so holy..that
there is..*nothing..more holy...They are the/seminaries..of the human race,..and the human-race..is the seminary..of the heavens.”
http://www.swedenborgdigitallibrary.org/ES/epic38.htm

The spiritual/conjunction..of husband..and wife..that is
most holy..is the basis..of Christian marriage..in this world..and the next,..as/is..explained in ..Heaven and Hell.#..366ff...and Marriage Love..(Conjugial Love/in older translations)..#156ff.

Evidence..of this conjunction..is found/in..the fact
that husband..*and wife..*together..are called-[one]/“man” or “one flesh”..in Genesis/..1:27,.2:22-24,..5:2,.and Mark 10:8.

In..heavenly/marriages..neither partner..tries/to..dominate
the other..since love/of..dominion..of one partner..*eliminates the delight..of that marriage.[heaven..and Hell./#369..380]

swedenborg says/that..couples..who lived..in a chaste love/of..marriage are more/than..all others...in the order..and form of heaven,..[like/heaven]..[harmonic supportive/enduring/loyal/loving careing/mercyfull[etc..etc]

and therefore..continue..in..true heavenly-marriage..in all..its..beauty,..and continue..unceasingly..in..the flower/of youth.. The delights..of their love..are ineffable,..and increase to eternity.

from..acim[jesus/words]
http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf

The/world,..in its..original-connotation,..
included..both/the proper/creation..of..man_by/God,..
AND..the proper/creation..by man.in his..Right-Mind...

The latter..required..the endowment/of man..by God..with free/will,..because..all..loving/creation..is freely given.

Nothing..in either/of..these statements..implies..any sort/of
level involvement,.or,..in fact,..anything..except one-continuous line..of creation,..in which all aspects..of creation..are/of..the same order...[all created/equally..]

When..the..“lies of/the serpent”..were introduced,
they were..specifically..called lies/because..they..are not true.
thus..When man listened,..all he heard...was untruth...He does/not
have-to.continue..to believe..what is/not true,..*unless./he chooses to do so.

their outward delights..are it is impossible/to..describe in human words.#..Heaven and Hell..# 489
#..Jump up/Marriage-Love..#332ff.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/01/20/the-gingrich-question-cheating-vs-open-marriage/americans-prefer-serial-monogamy-to-open-relationships

Is Mise,
In reference to;
"Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is usually established during early childhood."

The Royal College of Psychiatrists operating out of the Tavistock Institute, out of London, were actively experimenting on programs that dealt with psychological orientation or "Brainwashing", in conjunction with MI5 or MI6, with the aim of producing the super soldier.

The actual program had been commenced back in the 1920s and was adopted by MI5 and the OSS to create a secret and unwittingly compliment under-layer of functioning social, public and political figures of importance that could be used, on trigger, for the purposes of their controllers.

It was a bit like post hypnotic suggestion only this was real time with real complications for non compliance.

The fundamental basis of the programming was the sexual orientation of public school entry level children that were mentored and supported along the academic paths chosen for them by their controllers until they reached a acceptable level in society.

Their usefulness was then activated when needed by the evidenced based sub history of their generated sexual debauchery becoming public.

Court proceedings were contaminated by tainted judicial officers, Patients died on the operating table under the hand of compromised surgeons and fortunes were lost and made by the intervention of intimidated financial bankers and barons.

The worst examples and the prime target of these sexual oriented and unknowing individuals was in the dark world of international espionage and spycraft.

Is Mise, you have touched on an interesting point in this discussion and one that might just wake up a few people.

Of course the day has long passed when their is any profit in orienting the sexual preference of children, except for he pedophile culture, given that homosexuality is a daily function of our society and not a point of leverage for government departments.

Nevertheless their is plenty of information around to support the function of sexual orientation playing a major role in the personality processes of individuality.

its.only..too/easy..in hind-sight..to..see/errors..but
here..we..get to touch on..the..SPIRITUAL?CELESTIAL..marriage/
mirage..complications[even..among..those..knowing higher..the value/mirage

mar-rage..[marr-age]
http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm

There..were/other
*justifications..for polygamy..[marriage]..

Mormons..were-often..fond/of..stating
that..they..were better/than."Gentiles,"..as n..on-Mormons[and non-jews]..are called,..because/their system..of polygamy..was presumed..to/have..kept..*them..from committing..the sin..of adultery.

as..previously..said..adultery..
is..adulteration..of gods_commandments..[not*..moral-policing]..

Polygamous-marriage..was/supposed..to "make*..possible..the procreation..of enough bodies..for..thousands of..spirits which..have long..awaited incarnation"..(Snowden 141).[true]..

Some Mormons..today..explain/that..many men..died/from..war and disease,..and all..of the..extra-women..[breeders]..needed husbands..to support/them...through..the veil.

A less..sympathetic view..of*polygamy..was voiced..by Sir Richard Burton...He said,.."The..motive..*for polygamy..in Utah..is..its..economy.

Servants..are rare..and costly;..it
is cheaper..and more..comfortable.to marry them"..(Wallace 94).

we..must..re-affirm..marriage..
is*..BETWEEN..one/husband[man]..and one woman[wife]

Polygamous-marriage..is basically..regarded..as
essential...*to Mormon*..theology...[and..it is..as..a learning concept

Mormon/Doctrine..states..As..a matter,,of fact,..
"all gods..first existed..as/spirits,..came..to an earth..to receive adequate/use-full-bodies,..suited..to..their wants..and

then,..after..having/passed..through..a period..of probation..
on/the..aforesaid earth,..were advanced/to..the exalted position.they now enjoy".(Hoekema 38).

After death,..a good/Mormon-man..who..has followed..a
few..certain-rules..is catapulted..to this*same status..and receives..his own..planetary/embodiment..to populate..and..rule over..(Fife 103).

To..fully-receive..this honor,..[obbligato]..put..upon..the sun..of man....a man..must be.."married..for/eternity"..

This..celestially/pure marriage..is..binding after..material/death...as well..as until it...realizes..its relative/fruits...on..its plane..[planetary system]

"Celestial"-marriage,..as..this eternal/marriage/is..often called,..is regarded..essential*..for Mormon women...as..*Without..being celestially married*..to a holder of..the priesthood,..[presumes]..a woman..cannot be.."saved"..(Green 154).

nonsensical..of course
unless..its believed..whole-heartedly[by..freewill/choice]

Mary/Ettie..Smith,..a Mormon.woman..who left..the church,..said that.."women..[thus mothers/wives]..do not..amount to much..in themselves,"..

and that..women..in..those times..were often celestially[in-spirit/alone]..married/to..men..they had/no intention..of ever..living with,..JUST..so/that they..could have..a man..who would be/able..to..get them..into heaven(Green 154).

such..women..are/often..given..secret names..
known only..to ..their husbands,..for..identification-purposes,..
so their.."husbands..can pull/them through.."to.."the other side"..after death.(Laake 118)...

it like many..other missbeliefs..
has hurtfull-fruits[as well-as a few..succes stories]

so much..is..dependant..on..the means.,.by/which
we live..rather..than/the way..we..chose..to/live..

[let not..ye..without/sin..cast stones.

During..the marriage-ceremony,[until 1990,]..men
made..their temple-covenants..*directly..to God,..while
the women..*had to..make..their temple/covenants..*to/their.husbands..(Laake 328).

This/means..that while/..male-temple..workers
representing..*God..lead..the men..through..the cloth*
representing the veil..between worlds,..husbands[symbolically,]..lead their..wives through.

Women..also/promise..to obey..their husbands..
in everything*..[in theory]..as long as..their husbands..obey God (Laake 108).

As part/of..the-ceremony,..women.also receive..[officially]..
their endowments...These...are sacred/ordinances.,.and promises
which make..a person..eligible..to enter..the highest-level..of heaven,..and Mormons..receive them..on.their first visit..to/the temple..(Laake 93).

Men..usually receive..their*..endowments..when
they enter..the temple..to become..a priesthood holder/
or..hen..we..go/on..a mission,..but..women..only..enter..the temple..for the..first time..to be married.

After death,..while..their husbands*..are creating
and*ruling..over planets,.the women..have the questionable.*honor..of bearing his.."spirit children"..*for eternity...

These spirit-children..descend..to..their Father's planet..to..*inhabit-bodies*..as mortals,..who are/then..ruled /over by..him...[they..of course fall..and life.[as we know..it]..moves on..into..eternity.

Mormon/Doctrine..states..that/these..
celestially*..married_men..[and women].."will..live..\..*eternally..
in..the family-unit..and..have..ever variably/evolved..body forms..for..spirit-children,[according.to each/natures/nurture needs..thus becoming..Eternal-Fathers..and Eternal-Mothers"..(516).

BUT*..[know..there/is..ONLY..ONE..true/father]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0

the/deception..is revealed..in..*A man..
who...has multiple-wives..can beget..many/more..spirit-children,..making him*..much..more powerful...[than/wot?][a collapsing star..ripping itself appart?

*marriage..are you..nuts?
[the..value/of woman..is..infinite]
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6079&page=0

Mr. Young it seems OUG has hijacked the thread as usual