Suseonline,

You have tendered no evidence to prove that:

- gays are born that way as you believe; or that,

- bisexuals are gays who have been 'forced' to repress their 'born' homosexuality; or that,

- those who choose homosexuality later in life and sometimes after a heterosexual life with children, were also 'forced' to 'repress' their homosexuality.

What you contend is utterly ridiculous, even if only because there are some men and women about who would shag anything with a pulse. Many of the immoral, risk-taking people I have met, and avoided, have been utterly selfish, egocentric creatures with only superficial concern for others. They were manipulative users of people. Many of them too, have been very needy and dependent with damaged pasts, especially in their formative years.

Even as a lay person the flaws in what you believe are so obvious as to make it all preposterous.

I don't believe you are doing homosexuals a favour at all. Rather, your unique sort of activism brings them all into disrepute. That includes the lesbians you usually don't mention. BTW, why do you always so obsessed with (male)gays and anal sex?

Josephus, for whatever reasons anyone thought my friend's son would grow up to be gay, we were right weren't we? Obviously he knew nothing about homosexual sex at that age but if you knew anything at all about this subject, you would know that there are many other mannerisms and preferences in life for gay men than their sexual activities.

You are right OTB, I have personally known many gay men, but only a few gay women, and very few bisexual people, so I can't really say much about them.
Obviously you are very interested in them, so do please continue to enlighten us?...

Suseonline, ".. for whatever reasons anyone thought my friend's son would grow up to be gay, we were right weren't we? Obviously he knew nothing about homosexual sex at that age but if you knew anything at all about this subject, you would know that there are many other mannerisms and preferences in life for gay men than their sexual activities."

Just as likely it was interfering women justifying themselves by claiming the high moral ground as 'do-gooders' (do-badders is closer to the truth), a self-fulfilling prophesy + one very confused little boy, whichever way. Boys need dads.

Sounds like your 'gaydar' (you would use that term) is informed by watching too much Are you Being Served (Mr Humphries). But YOU don't stereotype, do you? No Siree! LOL

As I remarked before, your sort of patronising, interfering (feminist agenda), conflict-generating activism doesn't help, it hinders.

Oh for goodness sakes OTB, you don't even read my fascinating posts do you?
I did say this boy had a father living with him ( for all his childhood and beyond,) for all he was worth.

And as it happens, it was mainly his Dad's manly friends who commented on this lovely boy as a child. It is true that most homophobes are males, as they are generally those men who have low self esteem, or who are secretly confused sexually themselves.

luckily, my friend's son grew into a fine young man who is well adjusted and happy in his life, despite his father, because his mum never judged him and always gave him unconditional love.

I hope to be able to go to his wedding one day.

Hey-de-ho, Suse,

Thought I'd drop in for a bit, and what do I find?...but a pack of faux moralists yapping away at you.

otb, gets an honourable mention for using the term "do-gooders" (the last refuge of he without argument)

Is Mise gets second place for describing a woman's vagina as a a "fun parlor".

But first prize goes to runner, for mentioning "fornicator" in the true Puritan spirit for which it was coined.

Here's your prize, runner:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

Well thanks for finally showing up Poirot!
I have certainly been having fun trying to educate all the uneducatables here : )

Here are a few scientific comments from medical professionals who I am far more likely to believe than members of the "flat earth society"...

The American Academy of Pediatrics stated in Pediatrics in 2004:“Sexual orientation probably is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences. In recent decades, biologically based theories have been favored by experts. Although there continues to be controversy and uncertainty as to the genesis of the variety of human sexual orientations, there is no scientific evidence that abnormal parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation. Current knowledge suggests that sexual orientation is usually established during early childhood."

The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:“Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice."

I don't think I have anything more to add on this subject.
Night night all...
Suse.