apollo-geeze..
for previous post..it rightfully belongs here
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=15257&page=0

accidents do occur
[but i accept..the workings..of the unseen-cloud mind[god]

how-ever
i see..the ending..continues from..our foxy lexies quote

<<..- simply confirming..that even in business/promotions ;)
and power..are usually given..to those..who are part of a network.>>

i also..feel the post was drawn to my old mate..belly
who has survived..the attack..upon his very heart felt love[his party]

the previous post..hopefully gives a little..back
to this..beloved great man..of pure heart..our mate belly..who is all heart.

love you bloke
hope this helps heal..yet more..your wounded..bnut unbroken heart

Comrade Belly, I don't always agree with the so called reforms that are being undertaken by your Labor Party. The Labor reforms leave a lot to be desired, but they out strip the Liberals for democracy by a mile. Here in NSW if you are a Liberal Party member and speak out on the subject of reform, what do you get? Like John Ruddick you get threatened with a 5 year ban, how democratic! factionalism and infighting is as bad in the NSW Liberal Party as it is with Labor, just that the Liberals do it more in private, whilst Labor do it in George Street at 5 o'clock on a Friday afternoon for all to see.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-03/liberal-party-member-john-ruddick-threatened-with-suspension/4997440

It should be noted that both major parties, Labor and Liberal, I don't know about The Nationals, maybe they let the cows and sheep vote, are way behind THE GREENS when it comes to internal grass roots democracy. A lot of the democracy in THE GREENS has much to do with the fact they are not beholding to sectional interests, Big Business and Big Unions but to the membership and the common people they are elected to represent.
Comrade Belly, I would like to see your political heartache stop. It could be done so easily, ditch the ALP and join THE GREENS, welcome comrade.

"STEPHEN Conroy has cemented his position as a Victorian Right kingmaker despite criticism from some senior colleagues over the bungled National Broadband Network and his role in escalating an internecine factional war.

New Labor leader Bill Shorten faces a heated battle for control of the Victorian Right, with his key backers worried he has deeply limited factional support around him in Canberra to create the necessary "Praetorian Guard" to fireproof his leadership.

Senator Conroy's decision to take a senior position in Mr Shorten's line-up ends months of speculation about the former communications minister's future and opens the way for him to continue wielding his factional influence. His decision to re-engage after backing Julia Gillard for the federal leadership in the run-up to the last election has sparked intense positioning among the pro-Shorten members of the Victorian Right to seek preselection retribution against Senator Conroy's forces.

The anti-Conroy forces are using the senator's mixed record as a minister for six years, including the flawed broadband rollout and his bungled media reforms, as "evidence" his influence should be contained."

SM, you post looks like it was lifted from a journo? Plagiarism if you don't give a by-line. Conroy would make an excellent member of the Liberal Party, could be another Abbott, but more conservative.

Paul,

It is a quote from a newspaper. What gave it away? That it was framed between quotation marks? What do you expect with respect to posts, peer reviewed papers? Plagiarism... pathetic.

Comrade Conjob would make an excellent green, with his attempted censorship of the media (cheered on by the greens), his monumental arrogance and insistence of ideology over fiscal prudence or managerial competence.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/don-randall-dodges-questions-over-expense-claims-for-trip-to-cairns-20131016-2vlx1.html?google_editors_picks=true
Now let us be honest.
I am not hiding my true views on the scam called an election in the ALP.
But ignore this link, and the tens of similar story's from within Liberal/Nats teams around the country at the peril of good governance.
Any side unwilling to take on its offenders while demanding action on the other side, embraces far from the best because they leave such in their party.
And in truth putting future election results that may harm more than a good clean out would