Sorry about being behind.

....When Tony Baloney done the hatchet job on Turnbull,

Yes Paul, but there is one HUGE difference, that being that since that day, some four odd years ago, not only has Tony not had to sleep with one eye open, he has also been able to perform his leadership duties, without the constantly looking over his shoulder for fear of being knifed from within, a truly common practice of the modern day labor party.

Furthermore, during his term as leader, there had not been one challenge for his job but so he has been free from the relentless undermining that Rudd served up to Gillard, right up until she caved in.

In fact, the last few months of the previous labor government actually provided Julia with some much needed credibility, as the golden boy Rudd proved he was nothing more than a puppet, who's strings were pulled by the same faceless men who are seemingly still, pulling the strings.

Belly, take a bow, youre truly honorable labor supporter, let down by your once united party.

I truly feel for you.

<Labor MPs slam return to factional 'cabals', after missing out on frontbench
ABC,October 15, 2013,

Several Labor MPs overlooked for senior positions have lashed out at the factional process to elect the party's frontbench.
.....
Inside Caucus, dumped Northern Territorian Mr Snowdon complained of side deals and stitch-ups, allegedly using the word "corruption".

Outside he complained to the media about small factional groups electing the frontbench.

"You can't have small groups of people meeting as a cabal, deciding on who should be the shadow ministers which is what in effect what happened today," he said.>

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/19390517/labor-mps-slam-return-to-factional-cabals-after-missing-out-on-frontbench/

Former Speaker Anna Burke has spat her dummy, declaring that she is bitter (hmm, that is not news),

<"And yes I'm bitter and twisted at this point in time, I'll be brutally honest.
...
In an opinion piece , and published soon after the new shadow ministry was announced, Ms Burke says the line-up reflects a return to the "faceless men" in control of the Labor caucus....

Despite the new shadow ministry including 11 women, Ms Burke also says Mr Shorten has "failed to deliver progress for women in the party".>

There you go, the feminists are never happy. It always comes down to, 'Me, me me". LOL

What is it anyhow with these Labor women that they are always, 'bitter' and in 'murderous rages', and hurling Molotov cocktails whenever they don't get their own way?

Bill Shorten will need asbestos drawers and a really big fire extinguisher.

It must be Abbott's fault.

LABOR colleagues have clashed over personal promotion in a venomous fight that undercuts Bill Shorten's plea for party unity as the new leader vows to "draw a line" under the divisions of the past.

Caucus members warned of a resurgence of party chieftains yesterday as faction leaders thwarted the rise of rivals to the 30 positions on the new Labor frontbench.

Former speaker Anna Burke penned a 600-word denunciation of the party's secret deals last night after backbencher Laurie Ferguson went public to condemn the "payback" against those who split from their faction in last week's leadership ballot.

Ms Burke declared there was "no meritocracy" in the new Labor regime and women were being blocked from promotion by the faction bosses.

"The problem with women is that they think effort will be rewarded and recognised. They work like girly swots and naively believe that they will get meritorious selection. But there is no meritocracy," Ms Burke wrote. "Our new leader, Bill Shorten, may hope for no rancour in the caucus, but the current outcome of the shadow ministry reflects an immediate reversion to the 'faceless men' being firmly in control."

www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/fraction-too-much-faction-in-labor-cabal/story-fn59niix-1226739921069#sthash.QI6pbTmn.dpuf

Sue Boyce and Judith Troeth, senior female Coalition
figures (and quite a few other
political figures within the Coalition)
were also very critical of the
under representation of women in Mr Abbott's cabinet.
The Labor Party is not the only party which has disgruntled
figures within its ranks.

You'll always
have the disgruntled having their say publicly.
And by speaking out against the Party
illustrating why they weren't chosen.

I can only suggest that perhaps we need to look at the bigger
picture and see if there were other reasons why
certain people were not selected at the leadership levels.
It may have more to do with their past performances,
policy disagreements, and other factors and not be gender
or faction related at all.

Just an attempt at actually discussing the issues rather
than launching into rants against political parties, et
cetera.

Paul1405 I have taken some time to rethink my views on this and can not find away to not see Shorten as Brilliant.
I too see true fear in the usual suspects at Bad Bills elevation.
Hope however he is not taking my view as total support.

First lets clear the air, it is tainted with half truth, all the way to half wit comments about Labor.
*Note* and never forget, my years of issuing the challenge, *tell us of your views[Liberals] on what is wrong within your ranks* is ignored, Tory's lack the ability to other than slander the other side.

However the caucus, and the very side that knifed Rudd, then Gillard, sunk it filthy teeth in to us the rank and file.
We voted 60% for Albo!
And Bill best buy a Ronald MacDonald clown suit if he tells us that is democracy in my party.
The contemptible slug Conroy Bills mate, tells us this election was a bad thing! but not because it lied to us the R X F but because it should have been left to the dirty word known as caucus/Bills butcher shop.

I may be kicked out of my party, truth is under valued if it confronts the truth members thoughts and wishes are unwelcome at present.
Democratize my party Bill and remove your own support base from caucus until they put party first.
Yes a chance exists Shorten may do just that.
This is a conservative bash the ALP thread, I entered to bash them too, but you will wait for decades to see any self judgment from the usual suspects.

I am sorry but some of the claims made here are from some non existent place.
I know Shorten.
Once was proud to be his disciple.
I can tell you, while the election was is and always will be a scam committed on ALP members.
THINK! near 60/40 Albo! the right, nearly always the wrong! owners of caucus 80! people! won?
He if he cuts ties with Conroy, if he thinks like 60% of his party and forgets the male cow dung, can reform Labor.
Like a drunken fight in a country dance hall, so many dash in to kick the fella on the ground.
Here and in another thread Labors carbon tax and NBN get comments from the dark end of the gene pool, those two policy,s played very little roll in Labors fall.
Polling in a by election in NSW tells us Labor leads in a seat Liberals held.
Gaining 19% in a first term by election is a reminder Labor is not dead.
Just slumbering in the house of faction heads, still.
Hog tied and muffled but soon demanding to be heard.