It’s up to Labor’s new leader to change his public perception if he is to have a shot at winning the next election. Check Liam Quinn's opinion on http://www.upstart.net.au/2013/10/14/the-change-bill-needs-to-be/.

Belly until your party, & it's supporters come out of the Global Warming dark age, you are lost.

The next 10 or 20 years are going to witness the retreat from the fraud of catastrophic global warming, to the wonder of how did we ever fall for that?

All of you should go to JoNova's site today. It has David Evans story of his retreat from gravy train rider, & almost convinced warmists, to semi, almost convinced skeptic.

He is not convinced enough to believe CO2 doesn't have a place in the warming equation, but is convinced enough to have bet against the wild predictions of the IPCC & other government funded hysterical organisations.

This is a totally honest admission of confusion by a once committed warmist.

It really is worth reading no matter what your leaning, & should be required reading for some. He won't support your leanings, no matter what they are, but should give all food for thought.

Belly what do you mean comrade? I did say "Do not forget Shorten will be a Brilliant leader." that is a big call Belly. He should look good against Abbott, but then a monkey would look good debating Abbott, would he not?
I said a big call "Brilliant" I would consider Gough was "Brilliant". To apply that tag to Shorten is a little premature. He have a a very mediocre opponent in Abbott to contend with, but again Liberal PM's have been generally poor performers, take Howard for instance, a corn ball if ever there was one.
A democratic test for the ALP will come up very soon when Carr throws in the towel. I say if the party appoints Sam Dastyari instead of Mick Mundine then we'll know the NSW right has triumphed once again.
Belly, comrade, there are very few of us on here to oppose the opinions of the "Ratbag Right" and I do believe people from OS even sometimes read this stuff, I don't know why, there telly must be on the blink or something. We do not want Laze the Danish flugelhorn player thinking we are all like "that mob", heaven forbid it would put poor Laze right off his strudel.
We must stick together, putting the sh#t on Abbott and his merry band of bozo's.
I think Shorten has put 11 women on his team, speaks volumes for that misogynist Abbott.

Labor is all secret deals behind closed doors - pay-offs for past favours and promises for favours to come.

That is why a solid performer like Jenny Macklin, with demonstrated ability in tough roles (tasks side-stepped by the show ponies) and the respect of both sides of Parliament will never get the nod for Deputy Leader.

It is interesting and expected that Jenny Macklin, with her outstanding record of productivity on real, practical goals that help real people, would have supported Albanese, who was also the members' choice by a big margin.

Caucus picked the leader. Doubtless the deals done and deals expected for the future influenced members of the Caucus in that choice and the same will also decide who is deputy.

Oh for crying out loud, while I have been fiddling in the shed,

<TANYA Plibersek has been endorsed by the Labor caucus as Deputy Opposition Leader, amid an outbreak of infighting in the party's Left faction that led to Kate Lundy and Warren Snowdon being dropped from the shadow ministry.>

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/old-guard-set-to-dominate-alp-frontbench/story-fn59niix-1226739487644

That makes for gender balancing of the show ponies.

A minimum three, or even four terms for the LNP.

The main quotas we have seen here are factional quotas. The shadow ministry was again fixed by the faceless men.