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The Forum > General Discussion > Will Abbott abolish Labor's Peter Principle ?

Will Abbott abolish Labor's Peter Principle ?

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Arjay,
First you say he is then you say if. give the man a few moments to come to grips with his inheritance from Labor before you accuse him of doing things in your mind.
There's no denying he needs to streamline the public service which has become a career path for hangers-on.
It's time those who actually contribute to our economy rather than just take, get long overdue reward for their efforts.
There is now a very faint flicker at the end of that tunnel where there was merely a black hole until recently.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 22 September 2013 5:12:38 PM
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We shouldn't even call it the "public service".

Servant is the old word meaning employee. But so-called public servants aren't employees of the public at all, they're employees of *the State*. If you doubt that's true, try sacking one of "your" employees and see how you go.

Much of the success of the fraud depends precisely on the assumption, which has no basis in evidence or reason, that the state is the people and the people are the state.

And secondly, in case you haven't noticed, most of what "public servants" do is actually a disservice to the public, actively confiscating their property to pay for violating their liberties.

Even where the state provides services, such as doctors or nurses, that doesn't mean that only the state could provide them, nor that it does so tolerably well. The notion that we can't afford medical services, but somehow they become more affordable if we're forced to pay for them *and* a big fat bureaucracy, is typical of the stupidity of the socialists and statists.

Just be honest and call them state servants or state employees but please, not "public servants" - it's nauseating propaganda.
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Sunday, 22 September 2013 6:50:01 PM
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The ACT is the only mainland jurisdiction with a Labor government. It is also, by definition, the jurisdiction with the highest proportion of public 'servants'. And the highest income per capita, rivalling that of WA. Both progressive AND affluent - how good is that ?

The ACT and the WA governments are the only two which seem to favor an increase in the GST. Am I missing something here ?

Joe
www.firstsources.info
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 22 September 2013 7:03:41 PM
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I thought politicians were 'public servants' too.
Many of our politicians appear to be working way past their level of competence from what I can see. A long way past.
As for Tradies and Engineers, there are good and bad in both camps, as there are in most disciplines.
SD
Posted by Shaggy Dog, Sunday, 22 September 2013 9:01:35 PM
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Sorry Individual, but following my experience with white ants I can say that neither Abbot's approach (sacking) or yours (demotion and sideways movement) would work.

Instead, in order to minimise the damage, they should be isolated, well-fed and undisturbed, so they don't feel any difference. Allow them to continue giving orders as usual, only that their phone-lines be crossed so they only talk with each other. Next, introduce them with free unfettered access to recreational drugs and alcohol, but keep out and be patient. It may take a few months, but by the end of the year there won't be any left to collect their salaries.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 22 September 2013 10:07:08 PM
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Just as in any other large organisation, and I have worked for a few, and like society in general you are going to have the lazy, the incompetent, the useless etc, the public service is no exception to the rule.
The question here is how does one deal with what is after all a problem. Firstly you have to identify the problem people concerned, unless they are wearing a sign around their necks proclaiming their incompetence this might prove no easy task. Of course that assumes you yourself are not incompetent at determining incompetency . Then you have to decide what is to be done with these newly found truck loads of incompetents. Some suggest simply sacking is sufficient, I don't agree, much to namby pamby for me, something a public servant might suggest. Others support the harsher penalty of gassing as appropriate, now we are talking turkey! Still others, the more humane suggest some form of isolation, one even suggest the radical solution of recreational drugs, novel, but me thinks unworkable, may create a whole new problem, drug addicts. Oh, what are we going to do?
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 23 September 2013 7:01:02 AM
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