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We got it wrong on warming, says IPCC
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Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 10:19:17 AM
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Luciferase,
"I do hope you are more intelligent than your self-effacement suggests..." It's not "self-effacement". It's Joe's specialty - "faux self-effacement in the service of sarcasm". Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 10:26:16 AM
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Poirot it is quite true, the gent has told us so many times.
But I like the bloke! Never agree with much he says but see hope in him. Not on this subject, but know time and truth is on our side. Know too right wing nuts are behind the anti climate change crew. No all of them, some stagger about finding other truths to ignore and fight. But look at America, Tea party air wasters control the Republican movement, for a time, and protect special interests in the Climate Change debate. Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 2:55:07 PM
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what do..ghandi/martin luther king and anne frank..have in con-man?
[no its not a joke its the latest carbon pollution taxationb solution or an..ego boost or a threat.. [it seems greenish capitalists..wanting the new tax are planning a black flag event..by us hollycause deneyers to set up..a red flag..so you will feel better..and not wreak vengeance onus village idiots so remember you greenish capitalist lobby tax mob be nice..turn the other cheek..cause your the ghandian anne frankcuss..kings..of nice Non violent, never passive: remembering Gandhi http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=15537&page=0 never the less..its a clever ploy.. for more carbon pollution lobby imagery/mythology.. clever marking/product placement yet its all lies..no matter how 'nice' im going to have to say...something like..what jesus would say,,[how come..he wasnt thrown..in the plot..too? he didnt reply the survey? missed the cut..wasnt ghandian enough? didnt fit the imagery? Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 4:35:43 PM
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Thanks Luciferase,
So across most of the world, the predicted sea-level rise is somewhere between 0 and 3 feet, with some subsiding areas like the Gulf Coast of the US experiencing much higher sea-levels rise ? I was surprised that the Nile delta wasn't depicted as experiencing sea-level rise of some sort, thanks to the Aswan Dam. So, with glaciers melting by - what now ? - 2085 ?, and sea-levels in the Gulf of Thailand and northern Philippines rising by 5-7 feet while our coast-lines experience 0-3 feet, it sure is a lop-sided old world :) So what do we do about it ? Or is that a foolish question ? Are we actually doomed ? Cheers, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 4:51:03 PM
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We're doomed if the problem is not dealt with globally. We can move unilaterally.
Quickly brainstorming: As quickly as is feasible we go nuclear (thorium and stuff the Greens, they're gone anyway, another senator in WA today) and renewables, weaning away from fossil fuels, leaving them buried. We price carbon. For the exporting industries that are carbon intensive we provide credits, for less carbon intensive industries we subsidize as necessary within parameters (tbd), both while the world catches us and a carbon market mechanism forms. We also (carbon) tax imports competing with domestic suppliers and compensate to keep them competitive while the world catches on. If the world doesn't catch on (as I believe it must and deniers don't) within say 25 years, we sell up the fossil fuels at premium prices and partay 'til doom. If the world does catch on we sue for it for compensation to leave fuels in the ground. We don't wait frozen, staring into the headlights of an oncoming future. Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 8:11:30 PM
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"Global mean sea level rise for 2081−2100 relative to 1986–2005 will likely be in the ranges of
0.26 to 0.55 m for RCP2.6, 0.32 to 0.63 m for RCP4.5, 0.33 to 0.63 m for RCP6.0, and 0.45 to
0.82 m for RCP8.5 (medium confidence). For RCP8.5, the rise by the year 2100 is 0.52 to 0.98
m, with a rate during 2081–2100 of 8 to16 mm yr–1 (medium confidence).These ranges are
derived from CMIP5 climate projections in combination with process-based models and
literature assessment of glacier and ice sheet contributions."
So, the worst case projection (do nothing) is RPC 8.5 and approx a 1 metre rise, corresponding to the ocean encroaching 100 metres up your local beach. This is an average and takes subsidence and elevation into account.
See http://www.tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/ and click on "global" altho' these are pre AR5 projections. You'll see elevation and subsidence.
Now, Joe, you can find out all this stuff yourself instead of remaining willfully ignorant so you don't have to stare AGW in the teeth. This is my last attempt at converting you to the path of knowledge and enlightenment. I do hope you are more intelligent than your self-effacement suggests and you will eventually come around, without necessarily stating so on OLO.
Best wishes