Hi Grim,

Why does everybody miss the second part of the discussion,

" .... that trees - massive plantations of them - suck CO2 out of the air. Plants love CO2. So of course, deforestation should cease, or be controlled, while massive RE-forestation projects should be implemented, like across north Australia, for example" ?

Why this love of horror stories, 200 ft sea-level rise, etc. ? And disregard of what to do it, about 2 inches in a century ?

I think I read somewhere recently, and maybe I got it wrong, that tree-planting across Australia (maybe combined with wind-farms and solar energy generation) has already reduced CO2 levels to a ready-state level. Is that possible ?

In other words, can human activity counter the increase in human-caused CO2 emissions ?

Just putting it out there.

Cheers,

Joe

'I said earlier that the Climate Council raised $400,000 in two days.

Apparently that amount was raised through donations from the public in only 24 hours. '

wow religion is a big business. Imagine that money was used to clean up the planet instead of pushing the propaganda. Fat chance. A long way short of the millions that the Labour party ripped the taxpayers off to support the charlatans. Tim might be able to but another waterfront property a few more metres back in case the first one gets done in by rising sea levels. what a joke.

Dear runner,

Whether we choose to destroy our civilisation or save it
is a collective decision and one that hopefully will be
made within our life-time. It would be wonderful if we
could divert unprecedented energy and resources to the
real problems that face us, including poverty, disease,
overpopulation, injustice, oppression, and the
devastation of our natural environment. This will only
happen when and if people no longer take their world
for granted, and instead understand the social authorship
of their lives and futures. They can become an irresistible
force in history. We need to enhance the life on the
bright and lovely planet on which billions of us share
our adventure. We need to face the challenges before us and
hold our leaders to account - not close our eyes and
expect others to do it for us.

Oops. I meant to write: " .... to a steady-state level. Is that possible ?"

Runner,

I'm coming to the depressing conclusion that most people crave certainty, and so questioners have to be ostracised, alienated, subtracted and, if possible, purged. As an Old Socialist, I suspect that many of my former colleagues loved the 'up-against-the-wall' a bit too much, and the 'work-for-the-people' a bit too little.

I just came across this gem:

"The seeker after truth, does not place his trust in any consensus, however broad or however venerable: instead, he subjects what he has learned of it to his hard-won scientific knowledge, and he scrutinizes, measures, and verifies ... The road to the truth is long and hard, but that is the road we must follow."

— Abu Ali al-Hassan Ibn al-Hussain
Ibn al-Haytham (ca. 965-1040),

although, as a Popperian, I disagree with the 'verify' part: yes, we run with what seems the most temporarily 'verifiable', but should be ever-ready to question our own conclusions.

And I would respectfully suggest that " .... the road to the truth is long and hard" and never-ending.

Utterly out of place with any religion. Like Flanneryism. Or Suzukiism. Or Pachauriism.

Joe

'We need to face the challenges before us and
hold our leaders to account - not close our eyes and
expect others to do it for us. '

maybe we need to thank the Western leaders for bringing us cars, longer life, heating and the ability to travel. If people are truely concerned about carbon destroying the planet they would be in India or China protesting instead of playing stupid political and religous games here. When the pensioners who freeze in the winter and boil in the summer are cared instead of the gw industry becoming rich on there propganda people will be less agitated by these false prophets.

Excuse me if I ignore your obvious ignorance, runner....your vacuous comments are not worth a second's reflection.

David Suzuki

http://theconversation.com/david-suzuki-australian-scientists-should-be-up-on-the-ramparts-18505?utm

"How can we make truly informed decisions if the scientific community itself is shut down? I say to you, that in your society scientists better be up on the ramparts making sure you don’t fall on the path that Canada is on right now. When politicians are relieved of having to pay attention to real information – to science – they can base their decisions on what: the Koran? the Bible? My big toe has a bunion?"