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Mandates and Referenda

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Epic fail Dorothy.

As far as your "directly" claim is concerned you have not changed a thing as the author did not claim that carbon tax is entirely responsible which is the single worst lie.

As far as your "omission" claim is concerned you need more than one opinion piece out of thousands of articles where author did not rehash the entire costings debate. I have already provided two articles where the costings are explained, and you will have to do much better than that.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 14 September 2013 5:57:47 AM
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Dorothy,

I remember seeing a survey where the vast majority of people understood the causes of the electricity price rises, the real reason that it hurt labor so badly as explained by the ex ACTU secretary:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/carbon-tax-to-blame-for-loss-says-bill-kelty/story-fn59niix-1226718930047

"FORMER ACTU secretary Bill Kelty has accused Labor of underestimating Tony Abbott for years, declaring the party's breach of trust with voters over the carbon tax was a bigger cause of its defeat than the disunity cited by senior ALP figures."

"All the other things don't matter. When that essential covenant of trust between the electorate and those who are elected is broken, it's very, very hard to rebuild."

Labor lied to the electorate. The electorate never forgot, nor forgave.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 14 September 2013 6:16:07 AM
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Rose's pain was ALL about the carbon tax in the article. Pathetic that Hunt stands on the shoulders of crying little old ladies to spruik his misinformation campaign, the party line "The carbon tax did it". He omitted what's really causing power price pain nationally and that pensioners were more than compensated for carbon pricing raising the CPI. NEWS! That bad, bad Labor government and its bad carbon tax is making pensioners sad. Pretty much like "Fightback", carbon pricing in the economy was easily picked off with misinformation and a very, very compliant Murdoch nedia with its own agenda.

Kelty should consult Vote Compass. The disunity proceeding from dumping Rudd was the issue, according to VC, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. A set of circumstances unlikely to be repeated, and interesting times to live through.
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 14 September 2013 10:14:14 AM
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Just thought I'd pop this in:

The govt this week borrowed $800 million...

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-borrows-800m-whatever-2013-9

and Hockey's talking up stimulus:

http://www.afr.com/p/national/hockey_plan_for_budget_stimulus_o0xTAytvq8lNFiMiaLqFDM

Yada, yada, yada....
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 14 September 2013 10:36:05 AM
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What the lefties need to get into their heads, the so called disunity is nothing.

To any sensible person Rudd & Gillard are equally offensive , equally guilty, & equally responsible for the loss. Which one is boss is immaterial, neither were acceptable.

They are both ratbags, so any party that had them as leaders must be one of ratbags. It was the party & it's policies that got the baseball bat, it was just nice to be able to apply it to that slime ball Rudd, while belting the lying mob he fronted out of government.

Currently Labor is half bludging over paid, under worked academics, & half lying cheating union bosses. If that is wrong, prove it by getting rid of them, Yes fat chance. The most amusing thing is that this bunch claim to have principles, What a joke.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 14 September 2013 11:52:11 AM
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Michelle Grattan writing in The Saturday Age, Sept. 14, 2013,
tells the story:

"Twelve days out from last week-end's election, Henry
Gallagher, a year 12 student at Tony Abbott's alma mater,
Sydney's St. Ignatius' College, Riverview, received a
message from the principal's office that a federal
politician was on the line and keen for a word.

A few weeks earlier, Gallagher had written to Abbott and
four other MPs who were educated at Riverview and other
Jesuit schools in Sydney, Melbourne, and Adelaide, to
remind them where they came from. None had written back.

"The currently proposed solutions to the so-called "refugee
problem" by both the Labor Party and Coalition are inhumane
and unjust," the 17-year old wrote. "They betray our
national character of being large-hearted, of giving someone
a "fair-go," and of "helping the battler." They lack moral
courage and in the light of our international obligations
may be illegal."

Attached to the leter was a petition with 450 signatures, most
of them Riverview students.

The MP on the phone was Bill Shorten, the only one from
any political party to reply, and he spoke to Gallagher of his
experience at Xavier College in Kew, how students from less
privileged backgrounds influenced him, and how he had
endeavoured to apply the school's Jesuit principles to his
work as a union official and an MP.

...Gallgher was mightily impressed that Shorten had taken the
trouble to make contact. Before the conversation ended
Shorten offered Gallagher some advice, "He encouraged me to
look at politics..."

The point that was being made by this article is that
successful political parties in the future will be the ones
that encourage people to participate at the grass roots
level and in the way that they want to, rather than
having a very strict model - as is currently the case.

The recent election has shown the disengagement of society
from the political process that asserted itself on a number
of fronts, from the record informal vote of almost 6 per cent
and the success of micro-parties in the Senate.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 September 2013 5:39:15 PM
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