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Mandates and Referenda

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Lucyface,

You said "misinformation that was directly, or by ommission, allowed to run free by the Murdoch press"

That is a lie. I provided two examples where the difference between the reticulation ocst rise and carbon tax was differentiated. I could not find any article that DIRECTLY stated or implied that the cost was entirely due to the carbon tax.

No matter how much other noise you make it does not distract from the fact that YOU told a lie.

I never claimed that the Australian was balanced neither was the Age, but you still lied. It is also clear that you don't read the Newscorp papers, so all your comments are fanciful.

P,

Considering that Labor promised not to introduce a carbon tax, and then to get rid of it, Labor should try and keep its election commitments.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 13 September 2013 3:52:29 PM
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A see nothing in the first article to suggest anything other than Abbott was clever and his scare campaign was a good thing that worked. Where is the supposed clarification of what really drove up prices? In the second I see a reasonably factual report.

I said misinformation was directly, or by ommission, allowed to run free by the Murdoch press. This does not preclude factual reporting such as in your second article, but does include relaxed editorship of in-house opinion, such as Ackerman's, Bolt's and their peers in Murdoch media around the country, where half-truth was allowed through without correction or clarification (such as massive power price rises being due to carbon pricing.

"Directly" refers to allowing half-truths and misinformation of paid commentators to reign. "Omission" refers to the fact a hand was barely laid on Abbott over his lies, even when he told them in parliament, while Labor was pilloried at every half-chance.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 13 September 2013 5:14:36 PM
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Lucyface,

""Directly" refers to allowing half-truths and misinformation of paid commentators to reign"

By your own feeble definition please give one example of a paid newscorp commentator saying that the electricity price rise was entirely due to the carbon tax. I showed you where they specifically showed the split of causes of the price rises, so you charge of omission is also false.

Calling Newscorp biased is one thing, it however, gets its facts right. It might play them in a light you don't like, but the facts are correct.

Admit it you moved from the generality of bias to the specifics of calling them fraudulent. I called you out and you failed to give any reason for your lie. Admit it and move on.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 13 September 2013 7:09:52 PM
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Lexi, milk is a commodity, carbon is not. So to compare the two as similar is simply wrong.

To put a price on carbon is a tax, any way you look at it.

As for Gillard government having a mandate, how on earth can this be as the Gillard government did not win the election, as they did not form government in their own right.

You then said this....This was an election not a referendum."

So in your words, what was the 2010 election.

As for a mandate, I don't believe any government gets a mandate, unless they go to an election with one policy and only one, as while people may agree with some of their policy proposals, they disagree with others, his PP scheme being a prime example.

Lucyface, I lost count of the number of times power price rises were contributed to not only the carbon tax, but what was referee to as poles and wires.
Posted by rehctub, Friday, 13 September 2013 9:04:59 PM
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Hard to work out where the news stops and the advertorial begins with many articles, but an example of what you seek, Shall, following your own feeble effort to find a smoking gun, is here: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/bill-is-in-the-mail-time-to-pay-carbon-tax-piper/story-e6frezz0-1226482093400

Just where is it made clear and explicit to poor Rose by Greg Hunt or by the newspaper editor that massive electricity price rises are not due to carbon pricing?

Spare me the shrill attack, Shallow Minister, and accept that Murdoch has been in election mode for three years with truth a frequent casualty (through the likes of Bolt, Akerman and their Murdoch media counterparts in other states)and where conservative politicians are allowed to write their own press under the heading "News". What a farce.

Also of interest to some OLO readers may be Wendy Bacon's Media Inquiry submissions http://www.dbcde.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0015/143421/Professor_Wendy_Bacon-Part_1.pdf
http://www.dbcde.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/143422/Professor_Wendy_Bacon-Part_2.pdf
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 14 September 2013 2:24:10 AM
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PS did anybody tell Rose that elderly pensioners were overcompensated for the CPI increase due to carbon pricing?
Posted by Luciferase, Saturday, 14 September 2013 2:32:28 AM
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