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Fertility rate of 1.8 and we are still murdering our own unborn babies?
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Posted by one under god, Saturday, 31 August 2013 8:51:19 AM
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Dear Fester,
Human beings exist in two very different life forms. One form is multicellular. That form has 100% mortality. The multicellular form alternates with a unicellular form. The unicellular forms have a very high mortality, but a very few unite with other unicellular forms produced by another multicellular life form to produce another unicellular form called a fertilised egg. The fertilised egg may divide into two or more copies. Each copy if there are any and the original will tend to develop into the multicellular form. If the multicellular form lasts long enough it will generally start producing the unicellular form. This process will continue until the species become extinct. However, before it becomes extinct it may evolve into one or more different species. Is that better? Posted by david f, Saturday, 31 August 2013 9:27:43 AM
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fully agree with davidF/quote..<<..This process will continue..until the species become extinct...>>
spoton.. but that reminded me of an important point darwins 1000..pigeons retaining wild type if there are inbred populations[small] then a mutation..canbecome homogenised..BUT restore the 'evolved'..critter BACK into a far larger gene pool..any DOMINANT 'evolution'..will soon be culled oput yet any recessive..still be there yet is so small a number..[one in 7 billion] so as to be..as if nuthing effecrtivly mathematically speaking [like darwins 1000 pigeons <<However, before*..it becomes extinct.. it may evolve into one or more different species.>> that ALL will remain..within the genus mean except for a very chance occasion..of fertile offspring.. that will yet again..get drowned..out of the gene pool.. like dogs budgies pigeons..[all after their own*kind] Posted by one under god, Saturday, 31 August 2013 9:59:35 AM
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Hi David.
I agree that life is a continuum, but I cannot see how a single human cell is a human being. I think that such an idea is degrading and dehumanising. Posted by Fester, Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:09:34 AM
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Dear Fester,
Degrading and dehumanising are your value judgements. Women and men are diploid humans. Sperm and egg are haploid humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternation_of_generations Alternation of generations (also known as alternation of phases or metagenesis) is a term primarily used to describe the life cycle of plants (taken here to mean the Archaeplastida). A multicellular gametophyte, which is haploid with n chromosomes, alternates with a multicellular sporophyte, which is diploid with 2n chromosomes, made up of n pairs. A mature sporophyte produces spores by meiosis, a process which reduces the number of chromosomes to half, from 2n to n. Because meiosis is a key step in the alternation of generations, it is likely that meiosis has a fundamental adaptive function. The nature of this function is still unresolved (see Meiosis), but the two main ideas are that meiosis is adaptive because it facilitates repair of DNA damages and/or that it generates genetic variation. Posted by david f, Saturday, 31 August 2013 10:47:31 AM
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Hi David,
If you are using "humans" as an abbreviation of "human cells", then I would agree with you. "humans" as an abbreviation of "human persons" I cannot agree with. Not equating a human person with a human cell is about as much a value judgement as not equating an acorn with an oak tree. Posted by Fester, Saturday, 31 August 2013 3:18:49 PM
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fair enough..how i see it
is say your genes..setup..the right physiology..to make an adrenilin junkie..or a tyrant..thats fine if an only child
raised to think..its special..[the chosen one]
but gets harder..if your the 2 de born..control freak..
dominated to the point of repression..suppression/OPPRESSION..by his identical..but more matured SIBLING genes..
ACTING upon his siblings..
never ever..to be equals..peers
[many murderd.. by elder or younger..siblings..from the times of cain/able
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