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death penalty and parole for convicted murderers

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Perhaps you will choose to go to Deuteronomy where God prescribes the death penalty for all kinds of innocuous things.

Should we accept God's law which says “If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Deuteronomy 22:28–29

In that case shouldn't Georgina DeJesus be returned to Ariel Castro, the man who seized her off the street and held her captive for 9 years along with two other unfortunate girls? Will fifty shekels of silver do the trick for Mr Castro? God's law says it will.

What annoys me most about you sir is that you are so disrespecting the work of thousands of committed true Christians who fought for so many years to rid this country and others of the barbarity of the state having power over the life and death of its citizens. Thankfully they had a set true Christian morals which saw them acknowledging Old Testament laws for what they were, a product of the times with little relevance to our own. They are fair dinkum Christians my friend and you are such an anaemic version in comparison.

Please do use the courtesy of not proscribing for us your version of Christian values. They obviously do not align with Christ's and should be something for your own consumption.
Posted by csteele, Thursday, 15 August 2013 4:45:01 PM
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If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
csteele,
abhorring religion as I do, I interpret that seizing means exploiting her & not being able to divorce her means he can not run from his responsibilities.
Posted by individual, Thursday, 15 August 2013 9:03:01 PM
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....what about repeat offence murderers who confessed to their crimes?
do you agree we should also hang them?

Now that's a tough one PP, as the last thing we want to do is make suicide easier for some, as I'm sure some would take advantage of such a law.
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 15 August 2013 9:06:20 PM
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Dear individual,

I understand the sentiment, and the wish for it to be so but it aint.

Perhaps the New International Version, deemed to be the most accurate/literal but perhaps without the magic of a King James, will make things a little clearer.

28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

The preceding verses put the meaning beyond doubt.

23 If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. 25 But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die. 26 Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor, 27 for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed, there was no one to rescue her.

I repeat, under God's law as proscribed in the old testament upon the him paying 50 shekels of silver for her Georgina DeJesus should be returned to Ariel Castro and she could never leave him.

Fortunately true Christians do not believe this law is applicable in today's world, only the likes of Platypus1900 and his ilk.
Posted by csteele, Thursday, 15 August 2013 10:59:55 PM
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@cs

be fair
i didnt say i agree to the OT practice to be translated to present day
btw, do you know how to interprete scriptures
what is applicable to those under law and those under grace?
what is applicable in OT that is also applicable to the church

i assume you are a christian
talk to your pastor
ask him to explain to you the above and also the difference between murder and the adulterous woman
i trust he will explain to you the context
context is very impt in sound exegesis of scriptures

@rec

suicide?
huh?

@sonofloin

i see where you are coming from
again...the fear of miscarriage of justice

i am glad you didnt have any issues with death penalty for the 100% guilty

i think i will leave it at that

nice chatting with you.

shalom
Posted by platypus1900, Thursday, 15 August 2013 11:16:12 PM
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and he sleeps with her, 24 you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—
csteele,
This sounds rather islamish, no matter what it just proves the idiocy of religion as opposed to live by the rules of God.
Posted by individual, Friday, 16 August 2013 6:32:25 AM
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