@lexi

one principle to bear in mind
ask the wrong question and you end up with wrong solution to the problem
the question here is not about rehabilitation, it is about justice.

if you take a life in cold blood murder (not manslaughter in fits of anger or self defence), you pay with your life

if you cheat...you vandalise...you steal...yes..then we talk about rehabilitation.

you did not read my arguments on the Tamworth case?

@hasbeen

you made excellent points
bravo

10% more?
LOL
that will cross the line to revenge
not justice

let us know be guilty of precisely what we want to eradicate

cheers

Platypus1900 if someone knocks off my TV, computer, or car, depriving me of the use of it until I can find the cash to replace it, or if I am lucky, get replacement through insurance, aren't I entitled to some compensation?

I would not see that as revenge, but simple compensation for my loss.

I for example have recently spent $8000 on rebuilding the engine in a car which was worth about $6000 before the engine rebuild, & is now worth about $6000 since the rebuild. I have also repainted it & fitted a new air conditioning system. The highest the insurance company would go was $8000 agreed value.

This makes sense to me as I expect to drive it for the next 10 or so years I am likely to be driving, & I have no desire to drive some horrid hatchback.

If someone were knock it off, & trash it, or strip it, what compensation do you think would be reasonable, without becoming vengeance?

Fair question platypus 1900, and welcome
Like every poster I have a right to my views.
And you have every right to ask.
Ned Kelly was hung, yet we still talk of him as a hero.
In the 1960,s the last man hung, for no other reason than a states head wanted to look tough kept the nation thinking.
We if we look will see innocent men hung in many country,s proven after death.
Mostly because I share the contempt we mostly have here for killers in the category most likely to be hung.
Banjo talks of that group, my life has seen contact with Police who can never forget the savagery of the Morosai, not sure that is the name, but those two will never be released.
Ivan Milat lived in my mums home town, one I know well Bargo.
He like me [we came in to contact via it] worked on the then DMR/RTA he will never be released, I think we are better than them and all like them.
Murdering a murderer will not bring back the dead.
And a life truly spent in prison will ,at least punish them.

Dear Platypus and Hasbeen,

The point that I was making was that decisions about
capital punishment are not really about deterrence
but about retribution. And, whether this is justified
is not a matter of measurable facts but it's a moral
judgement for each of us to make.

You seem to think that the death penalty will stop
murderers from killing again. If this was true then
there would be hardly any homicide in the US, which
has the death penalty, and a great deal of homicide
among other industrialised nations, which do not.
Yet the reverse is true. The American homicide rate
is by far the highest in the industrialised world.

In theory, of course,
it would be possible to make death a swift and certain
punishment for homicide - but that could involve
the specter of about fifty executions in the US every day
of the year, something without parallel or precedent in a
civilised society.

The controversy on this issue will continue.
Some people feel that those who kill another human being should
pay the supreme penalty and forfeit their own lives.

Others feel that human life is so sacred that society is
demeaned when the state kills its citizens, however grave their
offense. In any event, a large and increasing majority of
Americans - over 75 percent in a recent Gallup poll - favor the
death penalty.

As I stated earlier - it is a moral judgement for each
individual to make.

As I stated earlier - it is a moral judgement for each
individual to make.
Lexi,
Yes, I support the death penalty for heinous criminals once proven beyond doubt. But, I would not do it by way of a hangman or lethal injection. I would do what is done for astronauts, have a cyanide pill ready for use when there's no hope. Some hardened criminals probably would wait many years but if there is no parole some would take up the offer eventually.