Last week, I wrote to Steve Knott - Chief Executive Australian Mines and Metals Association (AMMA)about his comments on ABC 7.30 report and have since provided him with quotations of the Framers of the constitution, such as about "civil rights", "Common law rights", etc.
Today, I received a 26 page response setting out why AMMA is opposing the ALP intentions. Sure the document was dated 22 March 2007 but while it argued about freedom of association, a State "common law right", it failed further to rely upon State "civil rights" etc.
to me it appeared to be bashing the ALP rather then being a well balanced document setting out what the relevant State provisions were it had been opposing, etc.

I am due to publish now;
INSPECTOR-RIKATI® on IR WorkChoices legislation
A book about the validity of the High Courts 14-11-2006 decision
ISBN 978-0-9751760-6-1 (Book-CD), ISBN 978-0-9751760-7-8 (Book-B&W), ISBN 978-0-9751760-8-5 (Book-Colour)

IN IT I INCLUDE THE AMMA DOCUMENT ALSO AS WELL AS WHY THE SO CALLED WORKCHOICES LEGISLATION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND HOW I VIEW THE JUDGES SWINDLED WORKERS OUT OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

This book is neither against employees and/or employers but rather against the unconstitutional conduct having gone on for far too long by all major political parties.

Billie
Yeh. You can do both if you wish. That would be great. RSPCA QLD only have one computer teck to look after two hundred and twenty computers.
The site ended up being built by a eighteen year old farmers Son.

Our CEO of Halal at AFIC is very clever with building web pages and soon will finally get around to fixing it up and then it will go up on here as well.
http://www.afic.com.au/

Mind you I dont want it to loose the grass roots touch either.

Most people overseas like the clancy of the overflow approach.

We must always remember this is for Australian Grass Roots Farmers.

As A foot Note I will tell you its real important we can bring in staff to train people in Halal.

As the Abattoirs have just about closed down we have of course not kept up any training.

Thats as you know not restricted to abattoirs alone.
Its across the broad.
What IS different and of course what we are complaing about Billie is that abattoirs have been singled out and told they cant bring in skilled staff.

But any other industry have the green light.

Blind Freddy can see that is to protect the cruel live export trade.

Its bloody unfair.

By doing that they also stop us from providing jobs again for those families you mentioned earlier suffering.

So yeh we are no corp computer types here Billie. We are just trying to help Aussie Farmers by offering them the oportunity to meet people wanting to buy from them direct.

In Australia that ought to be allowed.

Everybody should be given the same oportunity.

We are being given No choices just pushed into more and more live exports.

I hope you understand a little better now.

I know your offer was tongue in cheek. Thats ok Billie. Its almost 3 am so I will bid you goodnight.

pale after the disjointed post returns to the thread with no answers.
Tapp , please give some facts to back up your very wrong view ALP state governments gave the federal government a way to bring about workchoices.
It is not much to ask Tapp, evidence for your rant.
I soon this morning leave for Newcastle and a long day, meeting hurt workers from Scone to the Hawksbury river.
Just another day, each will need help some are casual workers only getting a few days a month work.
Some are once high paid construction workers now casual doing the same job as full time workers along side of them doing the same work exactly, for far less money
None are evil, none are warlike unionists, and very few are not Australian residents.
Yet some here in this thread have deep contempt for them!
Some see opposition to workchoices as evil union/Labor propaganda.
Silly old men entrenched in a past them vs us ,bush vs the city see things that do not exist.
I see pain that workchoices is.
I see wifes working last minute shifts that take away the weekend, that take away time with the kids.
And that make partners see one another as they pass on the way to work.
Some see workchoices as the way to make Australia rich, some poor but say that is ok.
Some see no problems in the lost culture.
Some have more pride in their bank balance than an Aussie fair go?
Each sad story I hear today pale will remind me of you, that in my very sole I think you will defend the evilness of workchoices with uninformed ram belling.
And keep truth at bey! to keep your Biases intact
But no regard for the fact all who work are not wrong in wanting a better life and fairness.
Pale in my mind I picture you very much like Bill Heffernan it is your words and actions here that form that view.

Reply to Belly

It was you who raised the issue of the Mill workers. We just followed your lead and put forth the counter argument. As you popped the Mill workers up as sacrificial lambs its you who ought to think about apologies.
We observed your attitude towards the Mill owner and pointed out that he should not be forced to pay staff for taking the whole day off under the pretence they would be attending Anzac marches “all day.” I also have some idea what its like to run a Saw mill in the country. We note you didn’t seem to have any problem with putting the Saw mill owner on the spot and nobody in his corner. You can`t have your foot in both camps, although I suspect by nature this is possible something that you do.

If you can not follow the posts regarding our co joint proposals with ME partners it’s not my fault. That possibly explains the fact that you seem unable to comprehend the counter arguments for these laws Labour would like to bring in if elected.

Nobody else we speak with has trouble and we normally receive over sixty enquires per day from people who often don’t know English as their first language.


As for being my union boss, we can assure you that’s not going to happen in this life time- You are a perfect example of why hard working small business owners want nothing to do with it.
I do not see any advantage in wasting our valuable time trying to exchange comments and opinions with you.
Dont don’t think you are playing with a full deck.
Your personal attacks are unexceptable. Not just to ourselves but many others.
As for Work Choices- It should be just that.
You choose to join a union or you dont.

I ,like us all do not visit posts after they are locked away in this dark room.
But pale must be answered,
In what post or thought did I say I would be your union boss?
A union official is no mans boss.
We all should re read the whole thread, often in fact read the threads we post in and understand the issue.
You constantly insult workers and confer sainthood on bosses in your posts.
You side step issues and constantly refuse to address the world as it is.
I am greatly honored that the very small business men and women you try to make war on my behalf with are in numbers you would not believe ASKING ME AND MY UNION TO VISIT!
And that is the simple truth some are as anti workchoices as I am and want to put agreements in place.
The unionism you fear largely died in the mid 1950,s
The path for middle of the road unions is far different.
Radicalism is as likely now to come from business unions workchoices is such a radical action.
I need to tell you I have no respect for you ,your views are unproven and unbalanced.
The manufacturing of opinions for me and people you have never known is no debating tool.

While in management I had to hire and fire people. Seldom did I need to sack a person because in general they were darn good workers. Not because I demanded from them but because I earned that right that they would work and do a good job. Simply by showing to them that I cared for their wellbeing and rights. I did not wait for some union official to come down to make complaints about some safety issue, rather I was right on it.
Even more then 30 years after having a particular management people still thank me for the time I was their boss. They do not do so if they had a gripe with me but because they knew that we were a team!
If you respect the workers their rights they in turn will normally respect you also.
WorkChoices however is not of bringing about a better relationship to better production but to basically turn workers into slave. To disregard their rights to work in safe conditions as employers will now know that workers cannot strike, at least the government pretends to be so.
I never saw the right to strike by workers as any problem because to me it was my job to make sure they had no cause to strike!
For the record, WorkChoices would be unconstitutional if it allowed an employer to deny a worker time of on a religious day (his religion) because Section 116 of the Constitution prohibits this. States however can prohibit this. And there is a lot more to it. Then again, I urge people to do without AWA’s and to stick to a “civil rights” contract. After all, if either isn’t prepared for this then why contract at all?
If you have mutual respect WorkChoices would not be appropriate either.

People are born to be destined to work, one way or another. They may work as an employer but still have to work. And, they would not like AWA’s put on themselves if that was possible!