Billie Said

The WA Farmers Federation introduced live sheep exports in 1978 to break the power of the meat workers union.

PALE Replies.
Yes Billie. Thats Correct- Actually "to quote" `They Said Stuff the unions we will take the bastards Alive!` [unquote]

Billie Said
Livestock die in transit to port, further beasts die when they are acclimatised to pellet feed prior to embarkation and further beasts die in transit on board ship. The trade is profitable even if 20% to 30% beasts that leave the farm die in transit.

Pale Replies
A picture is worth a thousand words >
http://www.rspca.org.au/campaign/liveexport_evidence.asp

Shame on anybody who supports that.

Billie Said>
PALE's arguments about the live sheep trade are confusing, poorly expressed and probably just plain wrong.
PALE Said. Well Billie See if you can follow these thousands of people then. I dont see any of them , ' poorly expressed. do You?>

http://consciousevolution.com/onshu/view_signatures.php

Billie Said>

If I was a farmer involved in live sheep transport I would be wondering if I could get a better price ex-farm gate for animals slaughtered in Australia.

Pale Replies> Yes Billie Thats about THE most sensible thing you have said. However its not that easy for the farmers to do that.
That is why We have formed a MOU with AFIC and we have requested Farmers federations inform Farmers that buyers overseas wish to meet farmers `direct` in order to give them better prises and more options.
See
http://www.halakindmeats.com/
http://www.freerangefarmers.com/freerange/

3 Farmers were betrayed by Nationals. Nationals” relied” on the Farmers -`not asking the `pertinent questions`
Overseas take Animals Live to` Create Employment` and for `Value Adding` to improve THEIR ECONOMY.

Why Don’t they change it?

Scared of loosing votes .Labour States also. Donations and votes rule three political parties.

` Its termed -feeding the chooks. `

. You read propaganda put out by people with vetted interests.
They pulled the wool over farmer’s eyes.

Farmers Federation’s driven by the Nationals are Traitors to Farmers.

Farmers reps wont help us to introduce overseas buyers direct to farmers.


Ask yourself why!?

PALE says "Farmers reps wont help us to introduce overseas buyers direct to farmers.
Ask yourself why!?"

99% of members of National Farmers Federation are family farms that pay annual fees of under $20. The NFF is paid for by a few large agribusiness. PALE do you know how much your NFF subscription is and when you pay it?

The small farmers don't pay the lobbyists like Brian Burke and Julian Grill. Agribusiness like Manildra, Timbercorp, Waterwheel lobby government for concessions for their business. I guess the live sheep exporters paid the politicians more than Cargill.

Billie.
Thanks for your reply.
I already Know Why Billie. My point is they stopped us opening abattoirs in WA and lets face it what an email sent out to members going to cost them Huh?
Do you have any idea how hard it is being a farmer. Try get an exporters licence or accreditations alone.
They dont have a clue about how to go about it Billie and if they ask they soon back off.
Nor do they have clue how to tapp into overseas contacts because they a far too busy just trying to survive.
We charge `nothing` for grass roots introductions and assitance to these people who wish to buy meat direct through Australian farmers.
Considering this then gives the Australian farmer a sure supply of demand and a far better deal even you must wonder whats the harm in telling the farmers about this proposal- can you?

I note you declined to comment on if you felt if fair that we are the ONLY Industry in this country blocked from bring in skilled labour.

I have read some of your posts and you dont seem stupid to me despite the fact we dont always agree.
Surley its only fair I put my offer to farmers just like everybody else.
Common sense must tell you that there is `no reason` we cant slaughter here and pick up Value Adding.[ Small Goods- bi products]

Do you really think Muslims require animals alive for some ritual?
Or that there is no power over there?
Its a Myth and its almost laughable.

They DONT WANT THE FARMERS TO MEET THE PEOPLE THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH BILLIE.
ought to be pretty clear to you

Did you know the AWB are big Animal Exporters along with Packers Murdocks etc.
Did you hear one word from labour about that at the AWB enquiry?
This was despite the fact live exports were all over 60 minutes just 4 days before.
The Labour missed the best chance they ever had to get the Australian public onside Billie.
Now Again
Please ask yourself WHY?

And Speaking of Work choices Billie._ I choose to help the WA farmers and the Animals buy building abattoirs to slaughter in Australia. I want to produce small good as well as meat products in WA and Australia.
'Thats MY work choice'.
Any idea why I should be blocked from having a choice too?
That is of course if your work choices were set up to be fair to all.

Dishonest and for some evil, harsh words but that is what the Howard changes to workchoices are.
AWA,s almost always took things away from workers, including overtime and holidays, often they took ever thing away.
An the are for a 5 year term.
Often no wage rises for that 5 year term.
Howard had a test in place just like the one he now says is going to fix workchoices.
He took it away.
He and his Minister for industrial relations WILL NOT GIVE US information on what is in those AWA,s.
Now this very day if I took an AWA I ,if you believe Howard ,would be protected from loss of conditions.
What about those who are only one year or two into a 5 year AWA?
LEGALLY BINDING THEY COULD WORK ALONG SIDE ME, WATCH ME GO ON HOLIDAYS THEY CAN NOT TAKE.
OR GET PAID OVER TIME THEY DO NOT FOR DOING THE SAME JOB WORKING THE SAME HOURS.
That timber mill, pale you fail the fair go test, you fail the test of Aussie culture it was Anzac day.
Those workers each of them are nothing less than the private property of the mills owner.
Long years ago one brought the union in and all know the boss will close that mill over night if ever again asked to pay the going rates of pay.
That is firmly understood and that means the mill houses they live in go too.
Working Anzac day was about not breaking the tradition, 4 10 hour days and Friday off.
I see in your posts why you find nothing wrong with importing over seas workers sucking them dry then sending them home.

Pale why should the Labor Party promote your interests. As a farmer you financially support the NFF you don’t vote for the Labor Party. It’s not Julia Gillard’s problem that the political party you vote for does not represent you!

I don’t know why migrant meat workers are not permitted in WA but I can imagine its payback. The introduction of live sheep transports hurt many families and now there’s a Labor state government its pay time. Towns like Derby, Broome, Rockingham, Albany used to have big meat works and when the meat works closed the effects rippled through town.

Unless you tell me, I can’t guess why you are not able to open an abattoir. Is there land available, is there a work force available, is there transport from supplier, transport to consumer. PALE other people start up small goods manufacturing so ask them how they got started.

You can’t do any better than having a quiet chat to your cousin, while showing off your well conformed children.