Suseonline I happen to think it is vital you and others holding such views reconsider them.
Two weeks ago some considered me a thoughtless grub, for my view on Gillard.
And for the advice only Rudd could return Labor, if not to power to its people.
Your words to me, and others, saying our views on Migration/Refugees are, well you tell me.
A truth no one should ignore, such minded people, just as the ranting few from the right, are a danger to my party and country.
We, too often, forget more voters would abandon us, any party, that became deaf to majority's wants.
This morning news, in NSW at least, tells of young Syrians returning to fight in a war, and being asked to by religious leaders.
We must not forget world wide refugees many not attempting to hide the fact they are economic ones,is near 20 million.
And overnight could be 100 million.
The impending return of western troops from Afghanistan, only could see our country face hundreds of thousands.
Remember we are a place struggling to find out how big we can get without us doing great harm to our environment.

Suse,
Look at the demographic profile of refugees fleeing the fighting in Syria, over 80% of them are women and children, all the men are fighting or have stayed behind in their home towns and many of those men who are in the camps are fighters recuperating from wounds who will return to battle.
Now look at the illegal immigrants coming to Australia, what proportion of them are men of "fighting age", that's between 15 and 60?
We're not allowed to know that, are we?
Is it 90%? 80%?

Suseonline,
are you a religious muslim fanatic because of your vehement defence of them coming here ?
You most certainly do not give a hoot about Australia nor do you seem to care that the handful of genuine refugees get the raw deal because of the likes of you who give preference & resources to the shanks, depriving the genuine, nor do you seem to give it any thought at all why people become refugees in the first place. they become refugees because they have too many Suseonlines, Paul1405's, Lexis, Poirots etc ruining their countries like they attempt to do here. In a word despicable, selfish, ignorant cowards.

individual, your ridiculous claim that refugees are the creation of people with a social conscience such as those you name. All alone failing to mention your ignorant self who is a blind supporter of imperialist policies of the west that have failed millions of people in the past, and continues to fail millions today. Afghanistan and Iraq are two present day examples of the consequences of failed western policy. Many millions still suffer from the effects of the injustices of colonialism. And you want to blame people with a social conscience, You remind me of the British after WWII, when they marched out of their colonial possessions with much pomp and ceremony and left the inhabitants uneducated, impoverished and disillusioned, with none of the tools necessary to create a successful society. When these people fail, and fail they did, it's the likes of you who points the finger and says "Shame,shame, shame, I told you so these savages would fail, its all their fault!"

Susie,

<<(some) Government members have been shown to lie.
Carr is a Govt member, how do we know Carr is not lying >>

It sounds like a philosophy 101 conundrum --though it does appear that you missed the associated tutorial, which would have explained it all to you!

How do we know? because the examples that PhilipS cited for you --and which your ideological blinkers wont allow you to absorb-- show specific cases where we were told one thing and it was later shown to be otherwise.(actually the weight of evidence ALWAYS showed otherwise --but govt spokespersons previously poo-poo it)

Here they are once again:

--Not only did Captain Emad get through our *very strict vetting processes* he made a business out it.(and --the funniest part of all-- when people sought to follow up investigations of his fraud they were told by the govt dept it couldn't comprise client ( Capt Emad's) confidentiality ROFLAO

--Similarly we were told, repeatedly, that asylum scammers we exemplary candidates -- it was belately admitted/shown this wasn't the case.

--And, as Philips indicated there has been numerous cases where whistle blowers have highlighted inadequacies in the vetting process

SPECIFIC CASES ,SUSIE-- unlike the generic waffle you spout

Bob Carr has now had the courage to say what the weight of evidence has been showing for a long time:We are being conned by asylum scammers.Pity there were not more like Bob Carr (any chance of dumping Kevin and elevating Bob?)

PS AND, The Aborigines are immigrants too-- "anyway".

As an economic migrant myself from Ireland, I take great exception to the insults hurled at me by all the other economic migrants on this thread.