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Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 30 June 2013 2:12:02 PM
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SPOR, Belly and Onthebeach , would you guys be so paranoid about the few asylum seekers who make it to our shores without drowning, if they were White South Africans leaving war-torn Africa and boating it here across the Indian Ocean?
If you were living in war ravaged, violent places like Syria, Afganistan, Pakistan, or similar countries, wouldn't you also try to relocate your family to the best country you could get to? The Government sorts through the asylum seekers that come by boat, and decides who are genuine refugees, and who are not. I have no doubt the immigration officials are as tough with 'boat people' as they are with ALL would be migrants to Australia. I doubt there are any hidden agendas with this process, and if they then have to find somewhere for them to live, then that is only the humane thing to do. Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 30 June 2013 5:32:09 PM
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Suseonline - Quote "The Government sorts through the asylum seekers that come by boat, and decides who are genuine refugees, and who are not. I have no doubt the immigration officials are as tough with 'boat people' as they are with ALL would be migrants to Australia."
I give you exhibit 1 Captain Emad. That was a Joke the king of the smugglers. I give you exhibit 2 The lies the Government said about only 4 or less refugees committed crimes. I give you exhibit 3 The public servant a year or so ago who said they were told to pass some. I give you exhibit 4 A week or so ago the Government admitted only around 10% were really checked out properly. Would you like to live next to the other 90%? Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 30 June 2013 5:44:35 PM
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Dear onthebeach,
The following link may help to clarify a few things: http://www.migrationinformation.org/feature/display.cfm?ID=222 We can only hope and trust that both major political parties will be able to put aside their politics and come together not to score political points but to put aside their differences and try to look at the bigger picture at finding solutions to this complex problem. Taking advice from security forces and the Australian Defence Force may help. Consultation between the major parties would be a step in the right direction. Posted by Lexi, Sunday, 30 June 2013 6:16:17 PM
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Lexi - Are you for real the article is dated May 2004 it is 9 years ago that may have been the case then BUT now it is different.
Now I can understand why you are so BLIND you are relying on information over 9 years old. Please come into the new century. Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 30 June 2013 6:50:16 PM
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Suseonline, "If you were living in war ravaged, violent places like Syria, Afganistan, Pakistan, or similar countries, wouldn't you also try to relocate your family to the best country you could get to?"
I notice you now say "best country" not the first country. However, just leaving that to one side, PM Rudd and Foreign Minister Carr have said that these are definitely economic migrants, motivated by gain. Suseonline, "The Government sorts through the asylum seekers that come by boat, and decides who are genuine refugees, and who are not. I have no doubt the immigration officials are as tough with 'boat people' as they are with ALL would be migrants to Australia" Did you read the article? See here, <The United Nations' Refugee Convention describes persecution on the grounds of "race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion". But Senator Carr said "no one on these boats in recent times has made the faintest reference to" political opinion or memberships of social group> As the government has found, the assessment process is hampered by many things. The first hurdle is no doubt that they have destroyed their papers. Another is that immigration officials and courts have been operating in the dark, without up to date knoeledge necessary to arrive at informed decisions. See here from the link supplied in the OP, <Senator's Carr's Foreign Affairs Department would provide courts and tribunals with large folders of "objective information" about the source countries for refugee cases. "We should have our best diplomats providing hard, sourced information," he said, which would mean tribunal members and judges would "have less discretion on whether [refugees are claiming] persecution". "We need to be more hard-edged about this," he said.> PM Rudd and Foreign Minister Carr are firm about the facts. That means that labbyists for the economic migrants and the Greens are telling deliberate lies because they would know better. Who will keep the Greens protest party 'bastards' honest? The media lets them off Scot free from rigorous examination every time. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 30 June 2013 7:19:43 PM
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Labor's treacherous side-kicks the Greens are ecstatic about anyone who is not Australian. The Greens verbally beat up young Australian couples for wanting to have children. The Greens admonish them as 'breeders' who don't care about over-population. But the Greens throw open the gates to anyone from elsewhere, as long as they are not their hated 'whites' (?!, being 'Progressive' is complicated).