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Whereas KRudd is a proven failure.

Having leaked critical information, he forced a hung parliament on Juliar, and then spent 3 years undermining her ability to govern.

Now he wants a kinder parliament?

Now he wants us to believe he has changed?

Go figure.

Over 280 successful legislations over the life of this current parliament. Many of them nation building and long term and passed by both sides of politics. And all the righties want to talk about is personalities, personalities and more personalities. They certainly DON'T ever talk about the utter LACK of fully and properly costed Abbott policies.

No sir, it's all about personalities, scandal and personal abuse from these righties. It's obvious, from the language they use.

P Jack we it seems think much alike.
You however will make no ground with my sparring partner Shadow Minister.
But an open mind will be able to see Labor needed its change.
And many from our side did not agree with me.
But in truth we propped up Abbott.
Gillard had many who did not want her, some will dash to defend her, because she is a woman.
Elections are often won on little more than personality's, and lost on just the same thing.
SH will not agree but Abbott is using a standard Liberal policy, not truly telling us what he will do, be warned it would not be nice.
He however needs to put his breaks on.
He is skidding past a bill board warning him!
He confronts a politician now.
While SM will disagree it is clear, read the polls!
Every chance exists, believe me, Abbott will be rolled before the election.

Turnbull would be the same disastrous leader that Rudd was first time around: just ask those republicans who tried to work with him during the 1998 constitutional convention.

If we get Turnbull we might as well keep Rudd.

LeftOut, if we get either of them we should have kept the liar we knew, Julia.