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Where is the REAL problem with federal Labor - The Prime Minister or her Party ?
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Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:15:02 PM
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Lexi my sweet, let me assure you if Abbott turns out to be even a quarter as bad as Gillard, he will find most of those here, & me in particular, hounding him even more unmercifully than Gillard.
He has offered himself as a savior, & he had better damn well be one, or else. He won't get away with buying votes with lousy expensive policy, any more than we have been prepared to wear from Gillard. Of course Abbott does have the fact that we know Turnbull is a dill, & a high percentage of LNP voters would not vote for him, reducing the chance of a successful challenge, but does not prevent it, so waffling will not be an acceptable option. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:25:46 PM
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Belly,
The only people that "know" that Abbott is a dud are labor and the greens. The rest, which is most people are waking up to the reality that he is in perfect control of the agenda. Both KRudd and Juliar have been destroyed whilst he was in opposition, and labor is stripped of any credibility. TA will be one of the best PMs in decades. Probably better than Hawke and Keating. Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:31:58 PM
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Hi Poirot,
I've got several http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/who-knows-pm-julia-gillard-is-under-investigation/story-e6frg6z6-1226630319702 http://www.news.com.au/national-news/awu-detectives-studying-gillard-interview/story-fncynjr2-1226650256224 http://www.news.com.au/national-news/pm-denies-awu-investigation-claims/story-fncynjr2-1226627400297 Ask yourself whether the Party would have allowed News and Fairfax, Michael Smith, Ben Fordham et al to continue to publish these stories implicating Gillard if they had any chance at all of getting an injunction? Particularly Michael Smith, who is not a large corporation, but an individual who has put it all on the line. Ken Lay refused to deny it when asked a direct question. Police are careful not to implicate people as suspects if they are not, even ordinary people. Rest assured she is in the frame. Interesting that slater and gordon have "lost" their records, no? Also interesting that the AWU (Ludwig) made a big point of going to court to seek refunds of redundancy payments back in 1995, then quietly went back to tell the court he wasn't interested in chasing anyone in 1996. after he had already obtained his order. The AWU has also "lost" some files between then and now. What was the year Gillard stood unsuccessfully for the Senate? You don't have to look, it was 1996. A deal with the devil to keep Wilson's mouth shut by letting him keep the money and give Ludwig control of an up and coming ALP politician? What's worth more than money to a fellow like Ludwig? Influence. What's the best influence to have? The kind that comes from having information your target doesn't want released. Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:36:19 PM
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Lexi, LNP policies will be the same as ALP ones in all important respects. Our economy is too delicately poised to risk anything significant, although they will fiddle at the edges for form's sake.
I hope they have some clever policy advice, because we are going to need good policy sooner rather than later to get us out from under the dependence on consumer spending that is hamstringing us. As for "reforms", not all change is good and passing legislation is not the test of a successful government. I'd argue that in the case of the most recent Parliament there has been nothing to be proud of. Posted by Antiseptic, Sunday, 23 June 2013 5:42:19 PM
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Rehctub I missed your bit about the LNP changing to Turnbull. I believe that is very doubtful, but it is Labors only hope.
The LNP could never win with Turnbull, as too many of their voters realized what a dill he is when he was all set to back Rudd & his carbon trading scheme. That is what cost him the leadership, & would stop them winning with him as leader. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 23 June 2013 6:20:59 PM
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I think the best approach is to go slow and steady, so we can first get a handle on exactly where we stand, because after all, if the worlds smartest man gave us a huge deficit, when he promised a surplus AT ANY COST REMEMBER, then he himself obviously has no real idea exactly where we are.
Wouldn't you agree?