First my reasons for thinking/knowing Labor is gone.
It has great difficulty's selling it some times great achievements.
And just refuses to think out side its own ranks.
Knifing Rudd, putting Gillard up, has cost the party dearly.
As has the ACTU decision not to allow the disbanding of the HSU, is a blindingly stupid act!
Union members/Labor voters, needed to see true disgust not ignoreing a horrible betrayal.
I could go on, but while I will work hard and vote for them.
*Total unconcern for opinions other than those hideing the NSW FILTH is going to hurt.
My theme however having established my views is to make it clear no instant fix is in Abbott,s bag.
How will he reduce our carbon footprint?
Will he go ahead with Labors and maybe his own welfare cuts while keeping middle class welfare.
I will get kicked for this, but know most Australians demand an end to boat people how will he stop them?
IR while commitments to not radically change it will he?
Before I am jumped on I am not trying in this thread to say Labor can win.
It will not happen.
IF they had heard Australia, dumped Gillard, picketed the NSW FILTH AT COURT AND HOME, [as they would do if it was a business],and the HSU, maybe.
But I am preparing to pick over the bones of my murdered party, post defeat, hoping and begging for reform that lets rank and file takeover from the rank and vile.

Belly,

You persist in the ideological mantra that the ALP are the bad guys and that the trade unions are the good guys.

When are you going to accept that it is the trade unions that have been buggered by the elite, socialist left and that they have usurped both your beloved unions and also taken over the ALP.

It serves only one purpose for you to try to differentiate between the unions and the ALP and that is the “illusion” that the rank and file still holds sway over their own unions, rubbish.

If that were so you would have no case to make against the ALP. Gillard has had you all for breakfast, you never saw it coming, you can’t accept it now it has happened and all you can do is try to blame other than yourself and your ideological blindness.

We have a government that pretends to protect future generations and yet their actions and policies are not dealt with in today’s circumstances, instead they flick their economic and social destruction onto future generations.

You and your ideological fellow travelers will forever be vilified for not standing up for the rights of our children and grandchildren who will sadly have to pay the price for your incompetence.

I’m sure you will take the view that you are not to blame, that we are getting at you and that you are just an old trade union member, interested only in the benefits of the rank and file.

Sadly, you and your ilk seem to forget that in expunging you own guilt, you are saddling future generations with the price you were never prepared to pay.

A pox on you and your bumbling, incompetent, juvenile, ideological and economically destructive idiots.

May you and yours be consigned to the political wilderness that you so richly deserve

Belly>> As has the ACTU decision not to allow the disbanding of the HSU, is a blindingly stupid act!
Union members/Labor voters, needed to see true disgust not ignoreing a horrible betrayal<<

Belly my china, this afternoon Labor with the Greens and the Independents voted against a private members bill to make union books available for scrutiny by others rather than just the Unions officials.

Voted transparency down….they care nothing for their members.... It is abundantly clear that the union members are there solely to financially support the union representatives and the hierarchy of the political wing. I don’t know what to suggest as the party fills with lawyers and corrupt union officials.

Whatever the reform, if any, it will have to start at branch level. After the defeat all positions at all levels should be up for grabs. It should start with branch elections, the President -Senior Vice President - Junior Vice President - Treasurer-Assistant Treasurer and Secretary.

Then a vote on the state team and then the National team. The few rotten apples have spoiled the lot. There are many who knew about all of the self-serving revelations, but did nothing…. they all should go and just start over again, this time without factions Czars.

Spindoc>> bumbling, incompetent, juvenile, ideological and economically destructive idiots.<<

Yeah, that pretty much covers it.

You forgot sickening, spindoc. Otherwise spot on!

And get this:
"I could go on, but while I will work hard and vote for them"

The fool would vote for Pol Pot if he was an ALP member.
Scary people like this exist!

Dear Belly,

The following link may help put things into
some perspective for you:

http://www.newmatilda.com/2013/05/14/swan-delivers-fails-sell

Voters will be able to decide who they want running this
country of ours and representing us on the world stage
come September.

Which leader has the right mentality and character/suitability
as not only party leader but also MP to be our PM and determine
the direction our country should go.

It will be an interesting few months especially the pending
litigation against Mr Abbott which he has to face
in court in June. Interesting to see what falls out of the
tree when its shaken.