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How many is an 'Invasion'

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Dear Banjo,

Thanks for the link.

However, the link that you've given me
does not talk about refugees and asylum seekers.
Who it refers to are
immigrants who want to come to this country
seeking a better life. Refugees and asylum
seekers are people in
a totally different category to the ones mentioned
in your link. That's where your confusion lies
and it is understandable.

As I keep stating the Migration Act 1958 allows for
entry to Australia without a visa for the purpose of
seeking asylum. It recognises that refugees have a
right to enter a country for the purposes of seeking
asylum regardless of how they arrive or whether they
hold valid travel or identity documents.

Of course if these people are assessed and found not
to be genuine refugees - then their situation changes.
They are not granted permanent residency.
However, most of them have been found to be refugees
and have received permanent residency in Australia.

It may interest you to know that many who did not originally
receive permanent residency did so on appeal, later on.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 3:28:53 PM
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Refugees and asylum seekers are people in a totally different category..
Lexi,
Yes & agenda driven invaders are yet another category.
Posted by individual, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 4:23:07 PM
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Lexi,
The section I put up refers to PEOPLE, no exemptions given.

Are to indicating that people that become asylum seekers are not people?

The section also refers to the Immigration act, so if there were exemptions it would say so. You have been misled.

You are good at research, so you find the relevant section of any Act that gives exemption to ANY person not to comply with Australian law.

I believe you will find that although they are unlawfull entrants we have undertaken not to charge those that subsequently claim protection. We simply do not press court charges, but of course detain them under the same act.

Who is 'unlawful'?

People who are not Australian citizens are 'unlawful' if they do not have a valid visa giving them permission to be in Australia. Usually, 'unlawful non-citizens' are people who have:
• arrived in Australia without a visa
• overstayed their visa
• had their visa cancelled
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 5:07:07 PM
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Lexi,
This section of the DIAC website shows the travel documents required

http://www.immi.gov.au/managing-australias-borders/border-security/travel/documents/

You can scroll down a bit to find the section for non Australians and NZ citizens. I have reproduced it below.

Travel documents required for all other travellers

All travellers other than Australian and New Zealand citizens need to present the following documents to officers in immigration clearance:
•a valid passport or other acceptable travel document
•a valid visa or authority to enter Australia (including electronic visas)
•a completed and signed Incoming Passenger Card, including health and character declaration.
See: Passenger cards

Anyone who arrives without a valid travel document, visa or authority to enter Australia, may be refused entry to Australia or delayed until their identity and claims to enter Australia have been confirmed.

You can see clearly that a valid passport and a valid visa is required. Please note it does say ALL travelors.
Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 5:31:54 PM
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Dear Banjo,

You keep quoting from the same link which
to me indicates that you're only interested
in your own agenda. Therefore I shall leave
you to it. I'm no longer interested in giving
you a further platform for you to keep stirring.
We've covered this ground so many times in the
past - I don't care to keep on going around in
circles. There's no point to it.

I shall see you on another thread - preferably on
a different topic.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 6:05:47 PM
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cont'd ...

BTW: Banjo, if you regard asylum seekers and
refugees as "travellers," then I guess that says
it all.
Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 6:17:05 PM
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