Poirot,
Firstly, it does not matter the mode of travel, if a person arrives with the required docs and applies for asylum he/she will be allowed to be free in the community while the claim is being assesed.

Overstayers do not seem to worry the government as nearly all only stay a short time longer and depart. They are still spending their money while here which adds to our economy. The number remains fairly static because as some leave they are replaced by others who have decided they wish to see more. There are a few that overstay a lot longer and they are illegal migrants and they break the law further as they require false identy and docs in our society, and likely work illegally. These people are also vulnerable to unscrupulous employers and landlords.

The idea of housing illegals offshore is to deter others from coming. I would clearly state that arrivals without docs will never get permanent residence and no chance of family reunion. If that does not stop them coming i would open up Macquarie Island (it does not have to be tropical) and stop assesing them. They will stop coming when they realise they will not get what they want. No legal aid and no computers, just basic accomodation.

Lets face it, if they were legit they would come via the front door, but only about 30% qualify that way and the rest sent home. They flew to Malaysia, a few more bucks would see them in AUS. The young blokes should be home anyway helping to make their country safe instead of our young blokes dieing over there. The illegals are all shonks.

Another 1000 arrived this week, looks like another record for May.

Labor really stuffed this, the fools.

Further proof it is an invasion it is May 4th and in 4 days we have 645 economic invaders come here, remember this incompetent Government BUDGETED for 450 per month.

Some people won't like this but it is about time there were turned around. Also cut of all financial incentives to those here they use the money to bring more people.

Poirot,
You should be mindfull that the doc Lexi posted has a disclaimer as follows:- "The views expressed do not reflect an official position ofthe Parliamentry Library, not do they constitute professional legal opinion".

It is written by a private person whom appears to be employed by some others and not by the Parliament. She makes frequent references to the opinions of the Refugee Council, which is an advocacy group to promote the interests of asylum seekers.

Example of the spin used:-
"The UNHCR emphasises that a person who has a well-founded fear of persecution should be viewed as a refugee and not labelled an 'illegal immigrant'..."

A person is deemed to be a refugee when it is established he has a well-founded fear of persecution and assesed as such. Until then he is deemed an unlawfull non-citizen.

"Asylum seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by arriving on boats without authorisation. Australian and international law make these allowances because it is not always safe and practicable for asylum seekers to obtain travel documents or travel through authorised channels..."

Asylum seekers do break Australian law by arriving without authorisation. Our law is that ALL non-citizens arriving must have a valid passport, a valid visa and a completed and signed incoming passenger card. Without such they are deemed an unlawfull non-citizen. If such person applies for our protection, we do not penalise them for the illegal entry.

There are a number of groups that spin the type of stuff to promote the interests of asylum seekers. They do this to try and gain public sympathy. I only believe official DIAC material

Why are so many of these asylum seekers fit,young 30'ish men? why aren't they in their homeland suppoting their families? Why when they get here and are given aircon./food/ shelter etc, demand their'rights' of a country they've never contributed to in any way if their past life experience was so bad? Seems dodgy to me and why should they get dental treatments ahead of a pensioner who's been waiting 3 yrs or more? public housing when there are Australian borns' still on waiting lists?
dunno about anyone else but it boggles my mind,

(Indonesia's military boasts 470,000 active troops, while the Australian Defence Force has just over 80,000 full-time personnel and reservists..) just sayin'

Dear Poirot,

Yes it is interesting. I've been giving those quotes
throughout this thread. And, those same sentences
are given by the DIAC. So Banjo's disclaimers
don't hold much water. But then of course according
to Banjo - we're all wrong - the DIAC, SBS, ABC,
SMH, The Age, Four Corners, The Insiders, The Australian
newspaper, The Daily Telegraph, The Canberra Times,
The Courier Mail, and of course there's also -
The Refugee Convention, 1948 Universal Declaration of
Human Rights, The Migration Act 1958, and other Australian
and International Laws.

I watched Four Corners last night. It showed the detention
centres on Nauru and Manus Island. Cameras were sneaked
in because they're off-limits and journalists are not allowed
into these places. The conditions are horrific and reminded
me of the concentration camps of WWII. Hard to believe.
I would recommend that all or our politicians be forced to
visit these places and see for themsleves the real conditions
that people are forced to live in (including children).

See you on another thread.

Lexi - The conditions etc are a palace by comparison to what the UN gives them in Africa and other countries.

It would be nice to see you have the same sympathy for the tens of thousands of Australians who are homeless or are on long medical waiting lists, something these economic invaders don't have to worry about.

THEY ARE FREE TO GO BACK HOME.