poirot: It leaves no room for balanced discussion.

I really don't understand what your idea for balanced discussion is. I thought I did that with my posts on page 18 & then on 19 just under Iftikhars 2nd most enlightening post.

See here;
"Now can we debate these issues in a civilized manner? If a question is asked can the responder please respond directly to the question, without diverting the question?

Most questions will only require a Yes or No answer. I'm sure it won’t be that hard to answer a question. You may ask me as many questions as you like. You will get a direct, straight answer of my opinion.

Let’s make it easy. The positive side can be the ones who want the quran & Islamic language & Culture taught in Australian Primary schools. The Negative side can be the ones who don’t.

It looks like Loudmouth & I are on the Negative side."

So poirot are you & csteel on the affirmative or the negative side of this debate and what have you to contribute one way or the other.

Hi Poirot,

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier. All major languages should be on offer - Chinese, Indonesian, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Hindi/Urdu, for a start. Perhaps some European languages too - Greek for instance, such a strong, beautiful language. My son did Chinese vor three years and now is fascinated by Thai. I studied Bahasa and Vietnamese in old age and loved them. i wish i had studied Bangla. I'm all for children learning languages beyond their own cultural comfort zones.

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier.

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier.

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier.

Now, can we stop trying to divert, Poirot ? And deliberately mis-stating what people mean ? "Who, me ?" Yes you, Poirot.

Cheers,

Joe :)

Loudmouth,

"...mis-stating what people mean..."

(Pot-Kettle:)

Listen up, mate. You waxed loud and clear that you didn't see it as appropriate for children to be taught languages during "school time" - no misstatement there.

(You're almost as fond of the term, "divert" as JKJ is of "fallacy")

No diversion - I was responding to exactly what you were on about.

And you know it.....

: )

A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim community not only needs Mosques but also state funded Muslim schools for their bilingual children. They need to learn and be well versed in standard English to follow the national Curriculum and go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. They also need to learn and be well versed in Arabic, Urdu and other community languages to keep in touch with their cultural heritage and enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.

Muslim migrants are living in a society which is institutionally racist. Brits must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different.Children should be taught about living religions so that they could learn to respect and tolerate those who are in their schools or who live near their own homes. British schooling is the home of institutional racism and British teachers are chicken racist. This is one of the main reason why Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools. I set up the first Muslim school in 1981 in Stratford, London in 1981 and now there are 188 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim school. I hope my dream would come true one day.

Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian"

Poirot,

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier.

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier.

I'll say it again: all children should learn a language other than their own mother tongue, from Grade Three/Third class if not earlier.

Now, can we stop trying to divert, Poirot ? And deliberately mis-stating what people mean ? "Who, me ?" Yes you, Poirot.

Cheers,

Joe :)

poirot, I notice you haven't posted anything on what Iftikhar has had to say. You only divert comment on what Loudmouth & I have had to say on the subject of the post.

Why is that?

If I or Loudmouth had said, "Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian."

You would accuse us of being racist for not integrating into the community.

Iftikhar states, “Muslim migrants are living in a society which is institutionally racist. Brits must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Children should be taught about living religions so that they could learn to respect and tolerate those who are in their schools or who live near their own homes.” Yet there are areas in Europe that are no go areas for the nationals because Muslims patrol to keep Infidels out.

Isn’t that racist? If Loudmouth or I had said that you would be down on us like a ton of bricks for being racist. Isn’t that so?

Iftikhar seemingly wants to keep Muslim children away from the terrible British Culture so they will not be influenced or exposed to it & corrupted. Isn’t that setting up a separate State within a nation? What happens to those children when they leave school & have to mix with the terrible British Culture? Or are they going to stay within their own separate area, apart from British society?

If Loudmouth or I had suggested that, you would go berserk.

Now I’m looking for a sensible discussion here. Can we have one please?