Sorry bloke it is pointless us tossing this back and forward,s, it just will not happen.
BUT before the election day, my party,s owners the right.
Will eat humble pie.
See they, the blind mice that they are, still think Rudd and his followers are the problem.
IGNORING this truth, voters do not want Gillard.
Each new poll will show not much change in Labors polling.
I think only Gillards Black Knight Shorten has any chance.
But if it is after the loss, faced with Labors shattered few left, he would not want to bruise his ego, so who?
Labor sold its sole, with gutless Gillards mining tax back down.
Do not dream they will be a full on conservation party, it too is not on.
Gillard, exposed by her half wit policy,s, can no longer blame others.
She however has in my view enough traitors to my party to keep her producing junk policy till after the train wreck.

Hi Belly,

I suspect that one thing is sure: that neither Rudd or Gillard will ever lead a federal Labor government again after September 14.

Maybe the only way to heal the Party and lead it to a more-or-less honorable defeat in September (or before) is to see off both R and G and choose a Unity candidate, to heal the rifts, and to salvage what can be salvaged at the election, then to prepare the way for a new leadership team.

Of course, that candidate would have to resign in dignity, to make way for a hard-working, young new Opposition Leader, once the dust had settled, and help to build that new leadership from the back-bench.

So that certainly rules out both R and G. Enough of Narcissists. Expel them both now, for the good of a thoroughly reformed Party.

Crean for PM !

Dear Loudmouth

"neither Rudd or Gillard will ever lead a federal Labor government again after September 14."

I agree with you on Gillard but definitely see Rudd taking back the leadership after September.

1. he wants to be leader 2. he's too smart to take over prior to an election they cannot win 3. he knows there will be a lot of Australians who will be disappointed if he doesn't become PM again.

Oh well, at least you will be in for a surprise!

Yeah, won't we all ?

No ...... only you.

Well Belly, there is one posetive you can take out of this, that being that once your beloved labor party reaches ROCK BOTTOM, the only way from there is up.

Two problems I see

1. Have they hit rock bottom yet?
2. Do they have enough time left?

Your good mate Kim
I recall seeing one of the funniest cartoons in the paper about Kims popularity, or should I say, lack of it.

He was walking out the door, dressed in a singlet and shorts, with a pork chop tied around his neck.

The caption was, "he said to his wife, on the off chance the phone rings, I'll be down the back playing with the dog".

Yep, you shaw can pic em.

But seriously mate, your parties problems have little to do with leadership, as it's far deeper than that, as the present day labor leader is simply a front man for the faceless men, as it is they who pull the strings, not the leader.

Now until this changes, I doubt they will make headway.