Sorry Luddy old mate, anything run by Carr would be a greater catastrophe than even Gillard could manage.

Just remember NSW used to be prosperous.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/the-pms-famed-toughness-is-exposed-as-a-terrible-flaw-20130322-2gl9f.html
J Bower/Lexi, most of the true hate mail, that is the end product of such name calling is based on fear.
Fear and no understanding.
This link is not one that flatters those in control of my party.
It however shows the fact ,as the polls do, its future.
I hold my hand high, to admit a truth, my words come in fear, for my party, its future and its present position.
Nothing can,in the modern world, hide the truth, the NSW ICAC has not yet ended its flogging of my party, a *Party that should, now, turn on those who used it and turn with intent*
Not to, as in the federal party not to, face the grievous need for reform, is to insult those from our past who left us a far greater party than todays.

If Rud had challenged, the best he could have achieved was to softened the blow at the election, however to do so would have meant breaking a promise, which is something labor are now renowned for.

I believe he will lead the party after the election, however I also believe Gillard will step down, so he will simply pick up the scraps.

Now as opp leader, he will still be able to prance around and look good, he just won't have his hands on the cheque book.

Now that's a win win if ever we could have one.

Dear Belly,

Political parties appear and disappear. They arise because they appeal to and fulfill the needs of groups of people. In power they also fill the pockets of those who represent the party. We have to accept that as the inevitable consequence of being in power. When a party is almost solely preoccupied in filling the pockets of its leaders and no longer does a job in representing its constituency it will disappear and be replaced by another party. That doesn't happen often, but it does happen. Loyalty to a party which no longer has any purpose or meaning is pointless.

However, I don't think that is the case with the Labor Party. I still think there is a need for a party which represents the working man. The Labor party's record of concern for the environment is much better than that of the opposition. Neither party has any particular concern for the separation of church and state which I think is important in a democratic society.

If Labor's defeat means that those responsible for its defeat will still stay in power in the party it will be tragic. If Labor's defeat means that it will try to get back in power by discovering its original purpose of being for the workingman and promoting social justice then most of us will benefit. Unfortunately, I don't think it will improve itself while it is in power. Occasionally it is time for a change. I hope that people like you will take over when Labor gets thrown out.

what about we just drop all the abuse?
JBowyer,
if you're referring to my post then I have to inform you it wasn't abuse, it is an observation.

Labor is not to blame for the mess, it's the ALP that's doing it all. It's not Labor's fault that it's name is misused by the ALP. It's the pseudo-intellectuals who claim to be academics who have invaded Labor like AIDS invades a body. The method of spreading the infection is the same by the political equivalents of the human reproductive parts.