http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics/how-it-all-went-so-horribly-wrong-for-labor-20130322-2gl6y.html
Rechtub I am sorry you said as you did in your last post here, and sorry you got it so wrong.
See Simon Crean, for the right reasons, at the wrong time, finished forever my dream of a Rudd return ever.
He may get an Ambassadors place, even from Abbott, but will never again lead my party, we are poorer for it, the link is worth the read, for every one who wants truth to play a roll in their thoughts.Individual, I wounder if you under stand the power of words, written ones exist for a very long time, are not throw away insults, but firmly there to be seen for a long time.
Rather than yet again highlighting your posts, the picture they paint of you, let me tell you about mine.
I am a front row forward, see my task as tucking the ball under my arm[ a ball I produced and stand by] and running!
Are you pleased to be considered one of the last some look to for balanced and understanding comment?
I am content to be disliked, to get it wrong, but never to be seen as a poster of just and only insults.

David f words flow free-er if we speak face to face, if you and I did that we would find much to agree with.
Sadly I know the power brokers that drove Labor on to the rocks won this week.
After the fall,you will know it too, they stole the lifeboats.
Gillards best backer will succeed her Bill Shorten, a bright Intelligent and likable bloke I until recently Idoliz4ed.
Reforms under his leadership will be only window dressing, his power well earned badly used comes from the union movement and Labors right.
By now I am rubbish, in both, but party first idols last if it is clear they think other wise.
Simon Crean may not know it, yet he may have, every step of the way, but he put Abbott on the PM s chair.
And Shorten in opposition, trying to look the part with 25 less seats!

<< …anything run by Carr would be a greater catastrophe than even Gillard could manage. >>

Haz, Gillard and Abbott would both continue down the all-growth-is-good-and-faster-growth-is-always-better antisustainability path to hell. It is pretty damn irrelevant who wins the next election in this regard.

It appears that our only chance of breaking away from this complete ABF*CKINGSURDITY is for Bob to get the top job!

What ever you think of his record in NSW, he is THE ONLY person in the top echelons of Australian politics who has a sustainability ethic strong enough to translate into some real changes in the right direction.

And this has got to be as important as just about everything else put together!

Ludwig I like you.
I would love to know what you do about our trees.
I understand your liking Carr, I like him too.
You ever met him?
I am lucky enough to have his photo on my wall, with the great Kim, and me.
Others too, from a night to Celebrate the man Carr served before he became, ignore the insults,the great leader he was,NSW.
However you are trying to swim up a waterfall, a very big and fast one.
IF asked Bob would kill your dream, instantly.
He took the Choice job, one Rudd did as well, maybe better.
But would not have restarted his political life, for any other.
A brilliant man, ignore the junk comment, but you ask him to do what he never will.
Watch the polls, watch those who made this remark to reporters.
Gillard is awful, but better than that *&* Rudd was the target.
If Crean wanted to, he could not have served Gillard better and my party worse.
May would have been it for her.
It may still be but you and I will have no say Shorten owns the spot you reserve for Carr.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-24/poll-shows-unease-with-labor-leadership-instability/4590800
No joy in the link for me.
Just a truth I can not ignore.
One no one should.
Tony Abbott intends to take away the carbon tax.
Head he says, for the same reduction , with an imposable plan, that sees polluters rewarded and us pay.
Tell me how disliked he is, how stupid, even cruel his plans are.
Then take a deep breath.
And understand, Gillard is so unloved she can not beat him?
Labor voted its self out of office last week.
Stamp your feet hold your breath, call me traitor.
But in the end I am still right.
AFTER OUR LOSS, so very many gutless men and women, in my party,s caucus, will emerge like the worms they are, to tell us they wanted change!
Congrats to Liberals on their victory won last week, no need for September 14 results are in.

<< However you are trying to swim up a waterfall, a very big and fast one. >>

Probably right Belly. But you never know.

Labor is absolutely desperate to recover lost ground and win the next election. The country desperately needs a change in federal politics towards a balance between the demand for everything and our ability to supply it, instead of the demand forever increasing and all our efforts at increasing economic growth just chasing the tail of this increasing demand, which is the stupid side of growth.

And I reckon that there would be a great deal of support in the general community if Labor were to make a concerted push in this direction. But in order for it to be believable, Carr would have to be leader.

I think Gillard has a genuine sustainability ethic, especially where it really counts: with population growth. But she has proven herself to be capable of saying one thing and then doing something entirely different in this regard. So she’d have to go as leader. But she could make a good deputy!

It is all so eminently sensible. One has got to wonder why it isn’t happening!

Could it be because Labor is just too closely associated with big business, which forces the continuous-rapid- growth burden upon them??

This stuff should be at the forefront of debate in the lead-up to the election.

So Belly, please don’t dismiss this stuff about Carr becoming leader and Labor embracing sustainability as being too ethereal to bother discussing here. While it may be an extremely unlikely occurrence, it is still very much worth talking about and pushing as hard as we can.

BTW, while I seem to be the only one on OLO pushing this, there is a great deal of support for it in the circles of Sustainable Population Australia and the wider sustainability movement.