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Too true, rehctub.

Some on this thread lambast Carr for the state NSW was in after his long tenure as premier. But compared it to other states and other premiers over the last 20 years, it is not significantly worse.

Hey, Carr, Beatty, Bligh, etc, etc, have been trying to do the impossible – accede to the demand of the voters to not significantly raise taxes or levees in any form while trying to bring about real improvements in this, that and everything else, while the pressure on everything steadily increases due to population growth.

It is asking the impossible. It is no wonder it all gets tangled up in misallocation of monies, overgovernance, corruption, gross inefficiencies, lies, and/or the perceptions thereof.

So, if we really want to reclaim some respect for government, see some large-scale genuine improvements in health, education, infrastructure, etc, have a healthy economy that is working properly for the whole of our society, have a healthy environment in which to live, and so on, then we’ve absolutely GOT to embrace a paradigm of sustainability, with an end to population growth at its core.

We need a paradigm in which we don’t have to have constant rapid economic growth in order to struggle to stand still! That is: in order to try and maintain the same level of services and infrastructure for an ever-rapidly-increasing demand base, let alone implement real large-scale improvements!

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It is just pure insanity to continue on in this manner…. which is exactly what Abbott would do….and Rudd if ever he should lead Labor and the country again.

Carr has been talking about this stuff for decades. He’s the man for the top job.

Whether or not he’ll be able to implement it is another thing altogether, given that he didn’t really achieve much along these lines in his decade as NSW premier (although he would rightly blame the federal government for imposing a rapid immigration influx on Sydney) and given the power of pro-growth vested interests, but…

… we simply MUST make a move in that direction….and we really do have the most excellent opportunity at the moment, with Labor sunk to an unwinnable position if they continue on as they now are.

They are desperately seeking an answer to their woes....aren't they??

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/doug-cameron-anthony-albanese-opposed-push-to-strip-ian-macdonald-of-preselection-icac-told/story-e6frg6nf-1226606710798
The link is direct to the heart of the actions of the NSW FILTH.
Do not however over look the power not of leadership, but factions within Labor.
Nothing new about them.
But of late their have both hands around the throat of my party, hence working Australia.
Named are Luke Folly, Labor Left , Albanese, Labor treasure, he is just that.
But so tied to the star of the ALP, Days long gone, factions and solidarity the party needs reform like it needs air.
It will not come, not until factions agree to an open vote a vote for the party not the faction.
Ludwig, no intention to insult you.
But my dream leader cut his own legs off last week, his support will never return, best he go.
Never, not ever, will the party give Carr his chance.
Look towards the current owners of the ALP.
Bill Shorten, his some what rude and idiotic mate Conroy, to lead, factions can reward themselves- for my party,s problems they imposed on it, strange stuff!

Luddy if you want to get some policies, which are most likely to be unpopular, with a huge prospect to be a catastrophe, particularly when managed by fool bureaucrats, you need someone with some proven ability. The last thing you can afford is a twit, who has been proven to get most things very wrong, but push on regardless. He would set any possibility of what ever you want back decades.

I say what ever you want, as I have no idea what you are talking about. We have fool ivory tower academics, who know so little it is ludicrous. Long haired radical ratbag hippies talking garbage. Reasonable wise farmers, & you talking sustainability, & I'll bet that is at least 4 entirely different things.

To give us some idea, do you;

Believe in east coast water being used to give Adelaide a nice fresh water water sky venue?

Believe wild rivers is a good policy?

Believe private cars should be banned?

Believe trees should be harvested to build housing?

Believe in wind power?

Believe in eating meat.

Do you still believe CO2 causes dangerous global warming?

You can see there are so many things that you may be suggesting with that one word, sustainability, that I have no idea what you are actually saying.

Why don't you give us a thread on the subject?

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/preselection-rumble-over-labor-seat-20130326-2gsde.html
IF Hasbeens comments are directed at Bob Carr, then he does not understand the subject Ludwig.
This link, for observers who want to understand why Labor is in a mess,is informative.
It highlights the power and influence, not truly related to the party,s health some own and miss use.
Conroy shares his power with Bill Shorten.
It has not yet finished its
Cyclone like path of damage in the very heart of Labor.
Too, evidence is clear politicians, not branch members, intend to tell the party who gets a run at the seat.
As Gillard has most support from women, I warn a problem is on us, more women entering Parliament on Labors side risks a growing concern, surely the best candidate without reference to sex is the one who should win.

Haz, thanks for your interest. Perhaps a new thread just on sustainability would be a good idea.

But hey I do regularly outline the basics of sustainability as I see it. I do this repeatedly because I know what a fuzzy word it is.

It is simply the achievement of a balance between supply and demand for our essential resources, infrastructure and services and which is achievable in an ongoing manner, with a big safety margin. Most importantly this means curtailing the demand for all of this stuff.

It is so fundamentally important. I find it absolutely amazing that there wasn’t an inkling of this sort of thinking evident in Rudd’s tenure as PM, a strong hint but no action in Gillard’s…. and none to be seen with Shorten or Combet. Kelvin Thomson is very strong on this stuff and Craig Emerson has a small sway in this direction, but on one here is talking about them as potential Labor leaders!

To answer your questions…

Me not undastand da foist qweschun.

Wild Rivers? Yes in principle.

Ban private cars? No.

Trees to build houses? Yes

Wind power? Yes, as part of a diverse renewable energy strategy.

Eat meat? Bloody oath mate!

CO2 Global warming? Yes to anthropogenically released CO2 fossil being a causal factor of climate change. But rather than addressing this directly in Australia, we should be mindful of peak oil, or at least the rising price of oil and how that will affect our economy on all levels.

So, if all those who support a sustainability paradigm give the same answers, does this mean that you reject the notion of sustainability?

You have previously agreed with me regarding population. So I will take a guess that you broadly agree about it in principle??