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Government lies about crime statistics for assylum seekers.

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Phillip S,
The problem with that analysis is that in your eyes anyone from any ethnic group can become an Australian or an American by filling in some paperwork but remain part of their original ethnic group, even hold dual nationality.
If you accept indigenous Australoid people as the heritage groups then it follows that Aboriginals of mixed ancestry are one of the modern Australian ethnic groups, I'm part of another one, the mixed European group which has no formal name or culture, the "Second age".
The forward momentum of Australian cultural life ended around 1990, we've been going backward since so it's fair to say that families which existed here before that time were part of that development but also it's downfall, the culture was ours to discard because it really was ours.
The arrivals since have just exacerbated the problems of a declining society, a sane person can't blame them for the way this country has turned out but the general mood among the Australians of the second age is that we should be able to live unmolested in our sleepy corner of the world and slowly fade from history without the trauma of hostile invaders and immigrants trashing what's left of our old world.
My preferred option is secession, a second age republic incorporating Victoria, South Australia and Tasmania for people who can prove pre 1990 heritage and a return to a the culture of 20th century Australia, a reservation for an aging population if you will.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 3 March 2013 5:20:49 PM
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JOM - You are right but I don't have and Government won't give you a statistical breakdown of crime figures by ethnicity.

My figure and examples leave out a lot of crimes that have been committed by Sudanese youths because I can't confirm what type of visa they have or arrived on, that figure alone would be in excess of 25 perpetrators (not offenses but individual perpetrators).

Most of the Lebanese are 2nd or 3rd generation but still follow the ways of Lebanon is so far as they hate us and have no morals when it comes to Australian females. Crime figures for them would be VERY high.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 3 March 2013 5:32:26 PM
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I have to agree with you Phillip S and JOM on most points.
A few years ago I noted on the goverment's depart of multiculturalism and immigration website, there was a section about common myths regarding immigration and immigrants. There was a list of commonly asked questions with answers trying to correct common supposed myths. One question was - Don't migrants have a higher rate of crime. The answer quoted was - no immigrants DO NOT have a higher rate of crime than Australians. Believing this to be totally false I emailed the depart of Imm & Multic affairs and asked them on what evidence they based this. The reply was that I would have to contact the Depart of Criminology to find out. I challeged them on this stating that it was their responsibility to quote me the evidence since they had made a statement on their website. The next day I got another returned email referring me to an Australian study of ethnic crime in 2005. The conclusion of the study was that there was no evidence that immigrants caused higher crime. Not satisfied with this I obtained the study and read it. It was a victorian study and having read many studies as part of my job I can tell you that it was very poor. Basically the police reports did not take note of the ethnicity of the perpertrators of crime, and as such there was no evidence that immigrants caused more crime. Based on this the conclusion was that immigrants do not cause more crime. So really there was no real figures at all. What's worse in the discussion section of the study the department of multicultural affairs had recommended that crime for various ethnicities NOT be collected as it could cause "community disharmony". So in summary there was really no statistics on crime by ethnics groups and the department of Imm and Multic affairs had translated this into "Immigrants do not cause more crime than Australians". How deceiving is that.
Anyway a week later that question and answer were removed from the website.
Posted by ozzie, Sunday, 3 March 2013 6:07:14 PM
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Well Phillip, when you say ...1) In Australia more crimes are committed by Australians than by refugees.

I guess you could also say that there are millions of Australians compared with thousands of refugees.

I also think refugee is the wrong word, as most in detention centers are illegals.

Now as far as being racist goes, I have to agree with JOM, that simply stating the obvious is not being racist.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 3 March 2013 6:26:48 PM
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rehctub - Right That is the basis of the Governments claim of a 45 to 1 ratio which I proved was totally FALSE.

They did not take the ones in detention into account, and they missed a few people when they said "or five or less" but the gullible media fell for it and did not challenge them for some reason.

ozzie - Victoria used to keep figures by ethnicity there was a big stink one time someone gave them out.

I will bet some states keep them but they are too much a ticking time bomb so will not release them to the public, and FOI will get you no where.
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 3 March 2013 6:51:01 PM
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Phil, do you have any figures for court finding? Or are all your statistics based on what you read in the Daily Telegraph.
Take this on for example;
3) 100 detainees involved in a brawl at Darwin's Wickham Point detention center that started over a soccer match.
Were all 100 charged and found guilty? Were the whole 100 added to you statistics?
What is your roll at National Action, Minister for Propaganda. Do you model yourself on a little bloke with a limp?
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 4 March 2013 6:02:41 AM
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