The Australian 2013
>> Eighty asylum seekers will be questioned by police hunting a man over an alleged sexual assault on a female student at Macquarie University as concerns are raised over housing asylum seekers in student accommodation.
The man was described as being aged 20-25, with a thin build, dark skin and dark short curly hair.<<

The Telegraph 2013
>> A detention centre staffer who has worked at Christmas Island and Villawood has been hospitalised in Sydney with the potentially lethal infection tuberculosis (TB).
The woman is believed to have been stationed at Christmas Island for 18 months before recently moving to Sydney, where she developed symptoms of the disease leading to her hospitalisation two weeks ago.
It is not the first case of front line workers falling ill with six Customs staff coming down with TB, caught from asylum seekers intercepted on boats, three years ago. <<

Where are our health departments and where are our security agencies?
Who the hell decided that it was in any way reasonable to place 80 foreign men whose identity and past are completely unknown in a dormitory adjacent to a female dormitory?
The Labor government is to blame, but if because of bureaucratic pressure the health departments and police departments did not employ duty of care it is corruption by coercion and people should be jailed for it.

SOG we differ, on almost every thing.
Only the past you tell us of, and my fondness of the mad but brave Irish keeps us talking.
But I agree with your thoughts here, the PC monster rules.
Not common sense.
Opponents to my view, that Labor seems to reward those it puts in to the community.
Avoids a truth, An almost certain in coming Liberal government, while unable to fore fill its promise, stop the boats near instantly.
Will be much harde3r on them, I believe others may have been involved in this sick act.
But protest the feather bedding of these folk.
Another truth, unavoidable, is Labor voters in equal numbers, like it or not, want an end to boats.
Now as a labor supporter, I think Liberals will get the job done, even use as they surely must, the return ticket Malaysian sure bet stop measure, but in doing so, as Howard did, win swi8nging voters to their camp for decades, unfairly but true.

Nice to see the Governments hiding places (for refugees) will start to come out, bet VERY few if any people were told about accommodating them there.

If it turns out to be one of them she should sue the Government for millions, after all there first priority is to protect there own citizens first.

Quote "But it emerged the village was a participant in the government's taxpayer-funded, Red Cross-run program, housing asylum seekers for stays of up to six weeks under the bridging visa scheme."

This statement further proves what I have been saying for a long time the GOVERNMENT IS HIDING the real cost of these people by having charities look after them BUT at taxpayer expense.

Bring on the election.

stop the boats near instantly.
Belly,
You always feign indignation when one of us takes a dig at you but for crying out loud, can't you see what you're writing ? Stop the boats instantly ? Are you insane ? After so many years of open gates you now expect the Coalition to stop all the rorts, corruption, incompetence, immoral activities of your beloved Labor, to put full stop to it in the blink of an eye ? The Coalition won't get enough time to rectify all this before the next lot of ignorant & indoctrinated school leavers outnumber us at the election. If Labor agrees to get all Labor supporting teachers out of the class room we might have a chance but I'm afraid the indoctrination & dumbing down will continue in our schools because Labor relies on those votes.

I'm assuming that migrants convicted of criminal offences are being deported. Or is that too much to expect?

Mr Opinion,
If you look it up you will find that a non-citizen with a permanent resident visa can only be deported if he commits a crime and is sentenced to at leasr 2 years jail. Even then it can, and has, been successfully apealled, like a convicted drug dealer was allowed to stay because he claimed to be the father of a child born here. So we are very accomodating.

In the case of asylum seekers, they get off even lighter. Some have committed arson of buildings and other damage to facilities and not even charged.

So if this sexual attacker is an asylum seeker, he will probably only get a talking to. Gee, we are good at giving 'cultural consideration'.

Too too much Mr O.

The rioters on Christmas and Mannus Island, the firebugs in Villawood. The sexual and physical assaults of one illegal upon other illegals while in our governments custody......no charges or penalties.

If we forget to pay a parking fine the athorities ban you from holding a drivers licence and car registration. They will stop the means of supporting yourself for $90...I bet we pay a great deal more than $90 to house and feed these illegal opportunists each and every day.

I had dinner with a mate and his bride from Ghana the other night, a great Aussie couple, they came here through the UN as refugees. They have no pity or understanding for the illegals.

"If they are flying to Indonesia they are not refugees," was their comment.

Belly, thanks for talking to me china.

Philip I reckon we are going to be in for a load of scary revelations if the Coalition gets in.

But surely I must be correct to assume that many a Greens supporter is billeting the asylum seeks in their own homes. Or is that too much to ask too?

I'm assuming that migrants convicted of criminal offences are being deported.
Mr Opinion,
You mean sending them back before they can establish themselves in an entrenched network in Australia & cause irreparable damage to our our society ? Nah ! We have to spend at least treble the amount of money on them to what we give our own needy. I'm sure marilyn shepherd will have the precise figures of what we should deny our own & hand to the imported no-hopers.

"It is not the first case of front line workers falling ill with six Customs staff coming down with TB, caught from asylum seekers intercepted on boats. 225 years ago Europeans arrived on boats bring; smallpox, tuberculosis, influenza, measles, whooping cough, venereal disease and the common cold, Along with alcohol and tobacco and their associated illnesses." Rapidly these diseases drastically reduced the number of Indigenous people in Australia, I would call them front line workers, hunters and gathers. The remaining population continued to be devastated, with huge numbers of deaths in their communities caused by diseases introduced by the European.
Today Aboriginal people continue to experience greater health risks, poorer health and shorter life expectancies than non-Aboriginal people."
Why doesn't Murdock put this in his fish wrapper.

Why doesn't Murdock put this in his fish wrapper.
Paul1405,
Because he couldn't be bothered with morons who have no argument other than running re-runs & refusing to accept & acknowledge the efforts by so many so much more of integrity than themselves.

Thanks INDIVIDUAL for both giveing me a reason not to post in this thread again.
But for allowing me to answer you with total honesty.
Insanity, or a symptom of it, may well be reason for your unthinking CONSTANT rudeness and silly statements, I have long held that view.
Now it is not my words you insult, you being you, rant about the PROMISE MADE BY YOUR SIDE, to stop the boats almost instantly.
Now indy, IF YOU ARE ABLE consider the implications, IF every one you target here, returns serve as I have here, in your rude uninformed style.
OLO would become a children's sand pit, you defeat your own words by proving you lack the ability to talk without reverting to a drunken like abuse.

Hi Opinion,

Just a comment on this:
<<I'm assuming that migrants convicted of criminal offences are being deported. Or is that too much to expect?>>
If you assumed that you would be wrong.

I recall watching an A Current Affair report about one incident where during a riot a detainee threw hot water over a guard seriously –and permanently --injuring him.

The judge actually commented that he went lightly on the offender because he didn’t want to jeopardize the offenders asylum claim!

SPQR - Quote "The judge actually commented that he went lightly on the offender because he didn’t want to jeopardize the offenders asylum claim!"

Cynical answer - If judges give light sentences the criminal is out quicker and can commit more crimes thus keeping him and the police in steady employment.

Less crime = less judges and police.

"I'm assuming that migrants convicted of criminal offences are being deported. Or is that too much to expect?>>
If you assumed that you would be wrong."
No way, Governor Phil let the whole lot stay. much to the angst of the locals.
"The judge actually commented that he went lightly on the offender, giving him transportation for life to the colony of New South Wales because he didn’t want to hang the poor chap for such a trivial offense"
What has changed? Nothing.

"Eighty asylum seekers will be questioned by police hunting a man over an alleged sexual assault", "The man was described as being aged 20-25, with a thin build, dark skin and dark short curly hair."

Ah yes, so on a completely open campus it can only be the asylum seekers who are to blame.

How about this sonofgloin, grow up, get a life, and stop falling for the mass-marketing tricks of the news.

Oh and as far as TB goes, get used to it. It's out there and unless you close the borders to everyone - asylum seeker or not - it will find its way in. Just pray that with the emergence of multiple drug resistant TB the government puts funding into finding an effective treatment.

When will the mania stop?

Not anytime soon, judging from the majority of comments on this thread.

: )

@Paul1405

<<No way, Governor Phil let the whole lot stay. much to the angst of the locals...>>

How's about you setting an example and start by deporting yourself.

sonofgloin,
The mania will only stop when the clowns now in Canberra are deposed and a new government takes charge and imposes changes that actually penalize the illegals for coming here. One that realizes that not to give them what they seek is the way to stop them.

No permanent residency and no family reunion, no access to social security and so on. A detention centre on Macquarie Island would be a good move.

Paul. we consider arson. serious assualt and sexual assualt a bit more than trivial offences. Disgraceful that our courts allow a convicted drug dealer to stay in Aus on his say so that he fathered a child while here. The kid would be far better off without such a father.

Dear Poirot,

The mania will stop when there's nothing on this planet worthwhile arguing over. And by the way the human race is overpopulating the planet and detroying the environment that won't be much longer.

I think my option is the best: we sell Australia to China for a $billion per head and we retire to the French Riviera to live out our lives in luxury.

Arthur N>> described as being aged 20-25, with a thin build, dark skin and dark short curly hair."
Ah yes, so on a completely open campus it can only be the asylum seekers who are to blame.<<

Arthur you are of course right, no arrest or conviction then no validation that the illegal passport throwers are guilty.
I still come back to the premise: is it smart to place 80 single men in a dorm across from female students. We are discussing men between the ages of 18 and 50 who we know absolutely nothing about other than what has come from their mouths.

If you think that is a valid solution to their housing issues, I would not want to be under your duty of care if you were a professional and especially if you were a parent. The exact mentality that you display allows pedophiles to “groom” imbecile parents so as to get access to their children. Our youth are precious to me….the illegal passport throwers can go to hell.

>>How about this sonofgloin, grow up, get a life, and stop falling for the mass-marketing tricks of the news.<<

After reading your list of posts I can see Arty that you are a socialistic first world stooge who’s only good sense isto not to believe the mass media. But you fail to see the “socialist engineering” platforms you have been regurgitating are exactly the same. I on the other hand will run with left or right depending on the issue and their stance on it.

TBC

Arthur N>> Oh and as far as TB goes, get used to it. It's out there and unless you close the borders to everyone - asylum seeker or not - it will find its way in.<<

Sport we have about 1000 cases of TB per year and 85% of those people were not born here. The point I made in the thread is that passport throwing illegals have been allowed onto the mainland without the results of their test being reported to immigration.

The pilots of the convoy of planes dropping off these illegals report that the illegals board the planes in masks and leave them on during the flight….what does that suggest? To me it suggests that the Health and Immigration authority is putting us at risk because of space issues.

If you think that is a good thing Arty then you are much simpler soul than I had estimated.

Mr Opinion>> I think my option is the best: we sell Australia to China for a $billion per head and we retire to the French Riviera to live out our lives in luxury.<<

That sounds like a plan Mr O, there is a little isle off Cyprus that takes my fancy.

Banjo>> The mania will only stop when the clowns now in Canberra are deposed and a new government takes charge <<

You know Banjo, I have been so content living the average Aussie lifestyle that I don't want a better this or a bigger that, I love the country and I love her people rich and poor, black white, Asian, Christian Jew Moslem,(except the zealots in each group). But this election really gives me something to look forward to, I’m as keen to get my hands on the ballot paper as I was to get the keys to my first car....

Poirot my dear, why not take in a couple of these blokes yourself...you could teach them English and give them practical advice such as to rent well above the high tide mark when they get their full range of benefits through.

Let them mind your kids, your grand kids…any kids they are ok, but don’t let them near the girls with a Stanley knife, they tend to “cut” the girls pleasure away for some reason…New age guys …why don’t they billet them “in” the girls dormitory. It would save the perving that has been reported by the girls dorm, but no acted upon…it is slowly coming out.

sonofgloin,

You titled this thread "When will the mania stop?"

Reading your final two paragraphs directed at moi - I'm asking the same question.

Mania!

I hope it never stops! I love reading all this stuff, I find it really entertaining watching the manic demonization of asylum seekers. I can hear the voice of Ray Hadley, and imagine you all sitting round the wireless while I read this stuff.

'Why I heard they give them $2000k a day and they spend it on drugs and they eat children. Saw it on ACA last night!'.

I think you all need a bex and a good lie down, but I'm not about to hand it out as it would spoil my fun!

There's nothing more funny than watching a bunch of old guys spewing ignorance and hatred of foreigners and bemoaning the state of the world and the guvment and romantasizing about the good old days.

A fact probably not wanted in this thread as unwelcome as thinking , but worth include in in this cultural swamp.
What if they find and convict an out sider offender.
Saving grace is not much though gos in to posts here.

Mania from haven for geezers to eat up...?

<<Mania from haven>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haven,_Victoria

Is that kinda like Canola from Condobolin?

I was in the process of commencing my second paragraph on this particular topic, then stopped, and deleted everything I'd already typed. We've covered this issue thoroughly, on many previous occasions. We all know and realize that under the current administration, there'll be nothing meaningfully done, nothing at all. At least until September next.

Apparently in September, from all I've heard there'll be a change of government, and the problem will again, become that of the Liberal's ?

Will they be able to stop these illegals once again ? Last time they did, and did it quite successfully too. But can they weave their collective magic once more ? This time I'm not so sure ?

See the trouble has always been in Australia, whatever the problem is, or isn't, we deal with things very poorly here. All we ever seem to do is talk about ? We talk, and talk, and talk some more...? Seemingly without reaching a REAL fair dinkum decision ! And once we do finally make a decision, we often fail to execute it ?

I've often mentioned this conundrum to my ol' mate BELLY, and without pre-empting him, I think he agrees ? Despite us being, at an irreconcilable political variance ?

Whether it's building a second airport for Sydney. Strengthening, laws against Middle Eastern crime gangs...whatever. We're either too weak, or we lack the political will to carry any decision through. Often without again visiting upon the problem until it's exacerbated to a point that it's become much much worse, until it finally becomes insoluble ?

In the end, all that can be done, we simply schedule yet another meeting, in order to find a further solution. The whole problem becomes merely cyclical, and recurring in nature ! Without any meaningful solution ever transpiring.

That quaint term - 'the Elephant' in the room ? Sure he's there, but we don't seem to know what to do about him ! We Aussies, seem incapable of ever embracing a difficult problem, and then solving it. But we can sure talk about it ?

o sung wu Quote "under the current administration, there'll be nothing meaningfully done, nothing at all"

I would go further to say WHATEVER IS DONE WILL BE HIDDEN from the taxpayer to save further embarrassment of the fools running the system and responsible for the current policy.

Poirot>> Reading your final two paragraphs directed at moi - I'm asking the same question<<

Yes I agree, but the point is salient, it’s a mindset thing where you go against your primary instincts because of the interpersonal relationship you "believe" you have with the manipulator.

P you intimate that refugees who need our help will not commit crimes against us, as if it is a given they will be beholding to us and our society.

Houelly>> 'Why I heard they give them $2000k a day and they spend it on drugs and they eat children. Saw it on ACA last night!'.<<

Only white children Houelly!

Who's organising the "lynch mob", I'm sure we have plenty here who will join in. First target, Chongs Chinese Restaurant, I reckn' Chong duded me with a crook prawn in the chow min a couple of weeks back, me was sick for 3 days, off work, could hardly make it to the pub. I say curtains for Chong. Then we'll move on to Al's Halal Meats, what's this halal rubbish, the bloke doesn't even sell pork chops, suspect gota go. What about the mob who's moved into number 19, I tell ya, mum, dad, noisy kids the old folks, the whole bloody tribe, and they are black, they gota go, bring down the value of the neighborhood. We meet at 6, bring your own white sheet!

@ Paul1405

<<Who's organising the "lynch mob" ...>>

(To borrow from Houellebecq)

Take a bex and have a good lie down, Paul, however,should symptoms persists please consult a mental health professional.

SPQR, Don't think because your washed the bed linen your off the hook! No way bring the kitchen table cloth, and, I don't care if its has got pink posies all over it. Someone has to lead the rampage!

UPDATE Quote "Police arrested a 21-year-old Sri Lankan national at Central Station at about 10:15am today and took him to Surry Hills for questioning."

Just another one to add to list of crimes reported and an offender caught. BUT how many crimes are committed and not reported or the offender not caught.

95% on most boats are men early 20's to early 50's when will the Government see this is a HUGE problem for the future.

STOP THEM. bring on the election.

o sung wo you and I are mates, follow differing political and sides.
But as it should be and once was we get along fine.
See we must balance the words of some, on both sides, and under stand, we you and I are normal Aussies.
Do you know about 80% of us think alike in most things, it is so.
Labor I admit needs a clean up crew after a few years in power, this time, by the hand of its OWNERS power brokers, and Gillard, that clean up will be a big bulldozer.
Tell you what but, stopping the boats will not be easy, the quickest way, and Abbott may have to use it.
*is Labors instant return ticket*
*the Malaysian solution*
For get the 800, it is a must to understand the big picture, not the random and rabid thoughts from the under achievers here.
To work, and it will, Indonesia, and Malaysia, need a return.
Think this out, IF IT WORKS, a Pacific solution, if we put them on a plane, every one of them.
At some point in time the boats will stop, and, think with me, the refugees in bo0th those country,s will stop too, a trip home being the best they can expect.
I look forwards to rebuking the incoming government- for the dumping of non-core promises and any TRUE faults.
Some will prove they under stand little, some already have, Gday Philip s by quoting the numbers we get vs numbers we get, a short term thing, an aid to ending forever the flow.

Ah BELLY ol' fella...

You think the Libs will ever break their promises to the Electorate, should they win government ? Are you actually saying to me, (me, a card carrying, red hot Conservative !) that my party, the party of my family and my families family, will ever break a promise ?

BELLY, of course they will, they're polititians ! They can't, tell us the truth. The average polititian rates way down there with all manner of nasty infestations, vermin, excreta, dung, and other forms of horrid unidentifiable ordure, that continually oozes unabated, from broken sewage lines.

You know my old Dad, always voted Liberal. Though born at the outbreak of WW l, of quite poor circumstances, he worked all through the depression, helping to feed his parents and 12 siblings, and he always maintained, a good Labour government are unbeatable, absolutely unbeatable - the best! This from an old Conservative ?

The trouble is BELLY today, there're too many corrupt 'faceless' men & women behind the scenes in the Party, often 'smothering' the few good Labour people in Parliament.

It's those 'scum' that Labour MUST remove. I shouldn't say too much ? You've been around awhile BELLY ? Therefore you'd recall Peter BALDWIN, you'd surely remember him ? And, what his fellow Labour (friends) thugs did to him ? I think, over a couple of beers, I could aquaint you with MUCH, on the BALDWIN matter.

It's these types, that any 'NEW' Labour Party must rid themselves of. And they don't have to look too far either, just NSW is all, and to a lesser extent, Victoria. Tame NSW, Victoria will simply just fall into line ? Trust me ol' mate, you could make 'book' on that ?

A question ? Imagine if you will ? A Labour Government (either State or Federal), the capital they'd achieve with the Electorate, if they UTTERLY purged their own Party of ALL these 'faceless', corrupt individuals that exist there now ! Almost like surgically excising a virulent form of malignant cancer. The cleansing of LABOUR, they'd win by a landside.

I heard an analogy today regarding the 40,000 plus illegals that have landed on our shores since this Labor govt has existed.

Orange in NSW is a thriving rural town with a population of 40,000 +.
In the past 5 years we have imported an "Orange" that will be on the taxpayer’s dollar forever if the work non participation rate of 85% for these opportunists’ holds out, and it will, and it will grow as they breed. They may as well nookie or sexually assault our decadent infidel university girls, they haven’t got anything else to do.

Day in day out we clothe house and feed this township of aliens...why do we do it given they paid a passage to get here. These aliens should be given no assistance, let them fight the existing homeless Aussies for a spot on the pavement.

Belly about stopping the boats…..protection visas…….no entry to Australian territory, fill Xmas Island with tent cities like the real refugees live in, no legal recourse to immigration dept rulings, no social benefits for 5 years if you get in.

If you think this is harsh tell it to the self supporting Europeans and Brits who have tried to immigrate to Australia in the past 10 years…we treat them like sheiser, there is no recourse from immigration dept rulings, but we kiss arse for the economic refugees that break our laws to enter the country throwing away their documents……….we are refugees in our own sovereign lands.

OSW….faceless men….Have a look at the groomed and manipulated up and comer Sam Dastyari. An Obeid type fiefdom in the making….Labor is stuffed today and tomorrow. So Belly is not going to get any change from the status quo that owns the party now.

While I am at it, Belly you are not wanted by your party…they want Sam’s….wedges into the ethnic vote. You’re a Laborsaurus my china, you are extinct.

OWS>> I could aquaint you with MUCH, on the BALDWIN matter.<<

Mate I bet you could.

My brother went Karate crazy and ended up close to Joe Meissner who was a deft hand at the martial art himself as you well know. I got the insiders run to the branch power struggle and subsequently Baldwin’s bashing, and what an excellent bashing it was, he looked horrible, so puffy. As you said to Belly, it is a conversation to have over a few beers away from this forum.

Update - "A Sri Lankan national has been charged over the alleged sexual assault of a university student on a campus in Sydney's north-west."
"The Department of Immigration has confirmed the man is in Australia on a bridging visa but says he was not among a group of asylum seekers who were staying at the university."

Although he was not one of the refugees residing there it is highly likely HE WAS VISITING THEM or one of them.

If they were still locked up this WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED.

More importantly IT SHOWS THAT THE PROCESS TO ASSESS these people IS NOT WORKING.

Deporting the lot will work.

Philip the girl said he was not wearing a shirt, which points to him being a local. As it eventuated he travelled to get there, I bet he had a shirt during his trip to Macquarie. He left it in his mate’s room in the other dorm for sure.

It also came out that the security guard who answered the distress call at 3am did not contact the police…very strange. The poor darling that was assaulted sat and cried and waited until 11am, and then called the cops herself. There are a lot of questions about the university administration that has to be answered. The cops have to interview the security guard.

Good evening SONOFGLOIN...

Mate, you're starting to worry this old man you know, by virture of what company you keep ? Emmmm, Joseph Lazlo MEISSNER, a fine specimen of a gentleman ? Indeed, Joe, had he behaved himself, and pursued his karate a little more diligently, instead of 'big noting' himself, and getting tied up with the wrong crowd....?

You see my friend, Joe was quite handy with his hands as you'd know, but against a .38 spec with 115g hollow point, stepping out about 990fps, it all mattered for nought ? Joe, could've taken a sizable fall on a number of occasions, anyway it's all a matter supposition now I guess ?

Roy Thurgar, former 'runner-up' to Bobby Dunlop's (C'Wealth Lt. H'Weight Champion), thought he'd speak with loud words, ended up on the footpath outside his own Laundromat in Coogee, he's no more... ? Sad, but there it is, same crowd too you know. Roy'd eat our friend Joseph. As he'd Tom Domican, but never Graham 'Abo' Henry, nor Ned Smith... Funny world eh ?

Our friend Pete, was a 'hard case' (his silly attitude) himself, not particulary bright, I suppose you'd say.................as you suggest, this is neither the forum nor time to discuss gardening ?

Bobby Dunlop, you bring memory,s o sung wo.
Look time to be honest.
Labors current and past problems stem from people who at times are criminals.
Yes I remember Baldwin, do not know him, but he was of the left, we both know who bashed him.
They sang solidarity for ever at the AWU conference, I never saw it done in the five I went to.
Great song, once, now? southern end product of a north bound bull!
It has been used to cover the actions of a pedophile, and do great harm to the person who bought the filthy thing to out attention.
NEW LABOR! what a promise and my dream.
Do we under stand why I hold in contempt power brokers? do we all know not so long ago 60 in every voting seats in Labor conferences HAD TO GO TO UNIONS?
Do we know due to reform/that cow by product, it is now 50 in a hundred.
Do we know in QLD, a bloke I once thought of as king, has also got his union to get involved in every branch, there by owning the votes at conference as they go as local branch members.
Leave the heated rage filled out, ask the middle,of both party,s, ignore the thought Labor is the Liberals group, sorry o sung wo, gentle nudge, we are better than that!
Labors path, two exist, must be away from Gillards troop of clowns.
And forever away from its tainted present and past.
A party of reform and ist start at reforming ourselves.
Paul Howes may still be PM one day.
But first he should leave it alone, keep his hands in his pockets.
Singing solidarity forever loud too will not change our plight.
Picketing the homes of the NSW Filth, the HSU filth will help. the public think we are ignoring their acts of unwed parents,I know we are not but show them!

Belly, you must be the supreme optimist, or totally delusional with your notion that 'the ALP phoenix will rise from the ashes'. It is my opinion that the Labor Party as it is presently constituted, is in the long term a dead duck, a party that has so lost its direction, a party of corruption that can never recover. There are good within Labor who deserve better. A new progressive is slowly on the rise to fill the void, and give a real voice to millions of Australians who at this time have no true political representation.
Unfortunately I believe the conservatives will be in the ascendency for quite a time to come. It will take progressives, men and women of good will, some time before even a true new beginning is underway. Following a massive defeat in September, more of the infighting will engulf Labor. With this self destruction of the ALP, I hope to see the disillusioned left, make a break and join with the like minded in forming a new progressive party. A party that takes the best of Labor and combines it with progressives from The Greens and others to represent the people once more. Belly if such should transpire, are you in, or are you out?

OSW>> Mate, you're starting to worry this old man you know, by virture of what company you keep<<

OSW, it all comes from growing up in the inner city. You have seen it all because you were a cop, I grew up in the middle of it, just down the road from the Taxi club....I bet we could compare notes mate.

Paul 1405, do you have time to reason with me?
This much I believe, in fact know.
Thanks partly to your party of protest not action, the center and it near left are about to suffer.
Greens, being now a rather pleasant pink, and starting to approach death, thankfully.
However in sinking they, by association, help install a tea party Liberal Government.
Dark days ahead, for both of us.
As you may well have done as a kid, you gleefully await your Santa Claus, to deliver Labors head to you.
It can never happen, yet again let the Sun shine on this truth.
Rude maybe, true however, on both sides of the fence more hate your party - forever - than will ever vote for it.
The two angry birds running it, in to the ground, are better for this country BECAUSE THEY HIGHLIGHT their silliness every time they pop up.
Get down on you knees and hope, pray if you want, a dd election is not to come in the first year of the new parlement!

'evening to you SONOFGLOIN...

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, but you know that ! Indeed, the old 'Taxi Club', just down the road from 'Lifeline' - Emmmm ? We decided mutually, we'd be able to sort through it all, over a couple of beers. Probably not, we'd need to schedule at least a weekend or two, just to sort through all those we've brushed shoulders with over the years ?

Actually SONOFGLOIN, I would've liked to have known you, when I was still at work ? Perhaps we may've been able to compare notes ? There's nothing like a little local knowledge, better than a mere 'blow in' like myself, muddying the waters so to speak.

Go kindly SONOFGLOIN...O Sung wu.

Ta mate.

Belly>> Get down on you knees and hope, pray if you want, a dd election is not to come in the first year of the new parlement!<<

Abbott will Belly...the Senate don't belong to him...yet. Your mob will cop a flogging there as well, more so because of the Greens, but you will cop it.

Belly you say Tea Party but we don't have the States "republican right zealots" in the sort of numbers that inhabit the heart of America, most of the Democrats live on the coast.

What we will get is Howardesque conservative policies and the regular balance the books and stuff the people attitude of the Libs. You lived through it before and china you will live through it again. Slowly we will begin to own our tax money again and spend or save the billions here. Everything I buy comes from China and Labor has sold them our tax moneys to the tune of a BILLION dollars a month interest.

in your rude uninformed style.
Belly,
You can think what you like but in my book it is way more rude & uniformed to support people who ruin other peoples' lives.