Rechtub I agree.
o sung wo, gday mate, well believe me I am trying, and under care , see the expert this week, what will be will bloke.
While we differ in politics bloke so do many of my mates, one constantly shouting me down but grinning while he does it.
A thought, if we look we can see union members/bosses/Labor members/voters named here in the very dirtiest terms.
Is this hung Parliament, and HSU ALP wrongs starting something bad?
Is blind hate emerging?
I try very hard, to be balanced in my posts, yes they get heated, but only saying what I think.
It has always been so, both sides of politics, after a time in office, and after undoing some of its oponents acts, that team too needs replacing and falls.
Labor is about to fall over Gillard and its power brokers shoe laces!

Just because a unions is useless doesn't make it's members useless also. I was a very small scope rep in the AWU but pulled out when I realised they weren't really interested in making things better for their members. Most of the members were decent people who just wanted it a little better to what they got in comparison to the bureaucrats who dictated every move to them & only made things worse. When the union refused to confront the bureaucrats I gave the union a miss because I couldn't keep promising what I realised the union would never deliver because of it's affiliation with the Government.

Rechtub,
The key part of your response is, 'how I see it'.
My position is that you are seeing it wrongly.
As per usual perhaps?
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Individual, in the US the minimum wage is just under $8/hour.
Obama's suggestion that it goes to a little under $9/hour is being fought bitterly by congress people funded by corporations.
In Australia the minimum wage is - from memory as I'm travelling - $15.96/hour.
That difference is due in no small part to unions and regulations governing how wages are negotiated.
Now, one could argue that the Australian minimum wage is too high.
My resonse would be to try living on $400/week, when average rentals chew up more than half that.
A large percentage of US workers are working poor.
Many Walmart employees depend on food stamps to get by.
In summary, there is an important place in our society for some method of protecting workers who cannot individually negotiate effectively with a corporation.
In short, there is a place for unions.
And if corporations can own the Coalition, then why shouldn't the labor movement have a political party as well?
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au

Belly>> SOG you spoke in the climate change thread about not needing to research or read other views.
You told me you build your case on personal observations, what you see around you.
It shows mate!<<

Belly I hope you get better.

You keep on “throwing up” the comment I made about not believing the data and conclusions the pro man made global warming scientists offer us. I can’t get past the proven lies fed to us previously, if you can great.Your line of fire intimates that I believe in no science, but I believe in physics. Had I lived 2000 years ago I would have believed the earth was the centre of the universe, 700 years ago I would have believed the earth was flat.

Just because I question a group of already discredited men of science does not make me a Philistine. Scientists have been wrong before and scientists have altered their perceptions to suit a master before, such as the hold the church had over the terms of reference scientists could work from for nearly 2000 years.

What any of this has to do with my post on union’s escapes me?
I said:
No elected official can hold office for more than two terms.
All deposed officials cannot run for office for two terms.
All union ledgers to be publically scrutinized every two years.
All donations to the political wing of the movement to stop.
All officials can have no more than two relatives on staff during their tenure.

If these rules were implemented you would not have the HSU travesty.
How am I clueless with that observation?
Also tiger, with a two term turnover of all elected officials more members from the rank and file would have a chance of being elected and bring REAL understanding of what the members need to the executive.

Nah china, you’re just having a go because it was me who said it. You should have posted views along the same line but you didn’t did you?

Anthonyve,
The minimum wage is not the culprit, the high wages are.

And if corporations can own the Coalition, then why shouldn't the labor movement have a political party as well?

The union's one big fault is to align themselves with political parties. If they didn't they could & would do what they should do. Work on keeping income responsible & fair. But they don't do they ? Why don't they ? Because they're constrained by their political underlings who line the union bosses' wallets.