Athonyv nice to see you back.
You are so very right.
6 Months in to a Liberal government the pain will arrive.
First however a truth.
Things are not near as bad as Rechtub thinks.
And as a member of the mentioned union let me say members vote as they wish not as told, by any one.
I have chucked in the towel,will work till I drop to prove myself wrong, but in truth Labors backers/owners should read the polls, and watch them go very much lower, this latest call for solidarity has added more heat than Rudd,s supporters can muster.
It, without doubt, further damages Labor

Hi there ANTHONYVE...

In closely examining your thread herein, can I take it you don't care for the individual expertise of those adroit members in the Liberal Party ? That said, I'm sure you'll not go so far as consciously disavowing them, by failing to give them your vote of continued assent ?

Hi there BELLY ol' mate...

You've been a little quiet lately, all's well I hope ? A question if I may ? Do you, (in your considered opinion) believe the average bloke in the rank and file of the various large Unions generally obey the wishes of their respective union leaders in terms of voting in general elections ?

The reason I ask, there are many 'talking heads' in the media claiming inter alia, there are many of those living in the traditional Labour seats here in Sydney, and in the other Capital Cities, who are turning in their droves towards the conservatives, so disillusioned are they with the continued alleged misfeasance of the PM and her crew ?

Butch, we gotta have unions, employees as individuals need a collective voice when dealing with employers. Consider that 10% of the globes population own 85% of its resource, and without unions they would own the lot.

I had no issue with the global union strife of the 1960’s and 1970’s; brewery strikes every Christmas, the wharfies and the rest filled the other parts of the year. That’s when the globalists planned to dismantle production in “our” world and ship it to the second and third, which they have now done.

The technology that manufacturing has embraced in the past 50 years has seen their fixed costs plummet. You don’t pay machines holidays or long service and you can write off a good part against your tax liability.

Factory floors that employed thousands now employ hundreds and the ones that employed hundreds now employ a dozen. I did not think it wrong for the few who still worked to ask for more. But that is not your issue with what pass for unions in Australia.

Our unions have lost the desire for equality. They have become private fiefdoms and a power base for the political wing of the Labor movement, which itself has become centerist and governed by international socialist protocols at the cost of the citizens.

All registered unions should be liable to legislation along these lines.

No elected official can hold office for more than two terms.
All deposed officials cannot run for office for two terms.
All union ledgers to be publically scrutinized every two years.
All donations to the political wing of the movement to stop.
All officials can have no more than two relatives on staff during their tenure.

Then we may have community respect and an honest passion for the betterment of members return to the movement.

Really Anthony.

Anthonyve>> Well, let's see now. We've got:
Joe Hockey, Shadow Treasurer who consistently gets his basic maths wrong;

I will give you Hockey, he is a simplistic creature of the pack, and in fact he would fit right into the front bench of the current Labor carcass…caucus.

>>Julie Bishop, Shadow Foreign Minister, ignorant of basic geography, and certainly lacking in the skills of diplomacy;<<

Stephen Smith was hardly a world stage diplomat when Rudd appointed him.

In 2007 Bishop said that the states had hijacked our school curriculum and lefty ideology of dumb the smart ones down, rather than giving the bright ones a chance purveyed. She wanted the development of national education standards as well as performance-based pay for teachers.

Shoot forward to six years later, In December 2012 a global literacy survey found our kids come LAST out of all the English speaking nations, LAST.

She’s a smart girl, but I have a subtle contempt for lawyers in principal.

Christopher Pyne, Shadow Education Minister, never had a job in his life outside of politics - consistently demonstrates poor communication skills.

Peter Garrett went to uni did an arts and then a law degree, the eternal student, then he sang for his supper until the brawling scourge of Sydney cabbies, Latham found him. Hardly a tutor.

George Barndis, Shadow Attorney General, a man renowned for the single fact that his pomposity is in inverse proportion to his competence, and his pomposity is huge.

Anthony what is the name of that woman, recently departed that wanted legislation stopping freedom of the press, freedom of verbal conversation and a tear drop from somebody could send you to Jail. That’s right Nicola Roxon. She would shut you up if you didn't sing her praises.

Anthony they are all self and ideology serving before they throw a crust to us. If you back “this” Labor government it is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black sport.

sonofgloin, I have not suggested that we have no unions, I just want to know why on earth they (unions, nit union members) are offering their unconditional support for both labor and Julia, despite the ampaulimg track record they have achieved in less than five years.

I can only assume it's a case of not supporting the libs at any cost, and to my way of thinking, that is a closed mined, brain washed attitude.

Now I ask those die hard labor supporters, do you really think we would be where we are today, had labor not come to power back in 07,remembering we had some 20 billion inn the bank, which is now some 150 billion in the red and counting.

Belly, as to your suggestion that things are not as bad as I suggest, please advise at what point you feel we should start to worry, remembering where we came from back in the mid 90's, where the libs left us in 07, and where we are today, not five years latter.

rechtub,
yes, I do believe that we would be in the same position as we are now if the Coalition had been in power.

Actually, I would argue we would be in a much worse position because I doubt if the Coalition would have stimulated the economy during the GFC, (given their belief that the working class should always pay/suffer if the economy is hurting because it's always the workers' fault - according to them).

If we look at the work of Joseph Steigleitz, the Nobel Prize winning economist, we find that right wing austerity policies during times of poor economic performance are exactly the wrong ones.

Yet everywhere we see right wing governments destroying weakened economies with their ideological love of watered down Friedmanism, which has been utterly discredited, but that doesn't stop Abbott et al from dreaming.

So, yes, there is every reason to believe that the Coalition would have harmed Australia enormously with the flawed, disproven policies they would have implemented during and after the GFC.

Hi sonofgloin,
I concede the point. None of them are really worth recruiting.

Anthony
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