Dear DreamOn,

I would like to reply to your previous post
but I'm not able to simply because I don't
understand what it is that you are trying to say.
All I'm gettting is a lot of anger, malice, and
intolerance. How about starting again - and
telling us what you really think in plain language?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/pope-benedict-xvis-leaked-documents-show-fractured-vatican-full-of-rivalries/2013/02/16/23ce0280-76c2-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_story.html
Lexi no need to wounder.
Be assured it is so.
Also know, without doubt, many views are built on a rock of failure to under stand both sides.
Dream on likes a niggle, usually at me, and this time he/she seems to think I am Catholic, or defending the Churches wrongs.
The link is long, informative, and seems to have a view, from inside the Vatican.
The southern Americans, some Africans, will need to be dead, before the Catholic Church is.

Thanks Belly for that.

I now understand.

"As for the Greens, their continuing support for the ALP is unconscionable, as it is unacceptable to me for them not to act by binning the agreement they have with the ALP. Whilst the ALP may be the lesser of 2 evils, an evil they remain and they need to be stamped on."

DreamOn as a member of The Greens, this so called agreement with Labor, like many members it was something I never supported and I made that clear from the very beginning to people that matter within the party. It was something Bob and others wanted, and so it was. 18 months ago I had a discussion with one of our Senators about this and she used the lesser of 2 evils argument. There were other motives for the agreement, stable government for one, our agenda for another, thing I never thought it would bring. On asylum seekers, on carbon and mining taxes, the concepts are good but Labor has got them badly wrong with implementation. The Labor brand has turned toxic both federally and here in NSW, my home state, I don't think they are doing well elsewhere either. Unfortunately we Greens will cop some of the flack, but it will be a lesson learned for both us on the progressive side of politics and for Australia in general as the people endure 3 years of 'Abbottism'.

Thanks for that *Paul1405* as it is reassuring that the core of some of the *Greens* remain unchanged.

Still, there is no doubt something in the old saying that many are the good people who enter the political fray only to be corrupted bit by bit the further they ascend.

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*Lexi* do spare me your pathetic attempt to deflect attention from your apologist position for these child abusers. It is not a "fair bump play on" situation. They must pay for their crimes.

The problem with some of you people is that "seeing" often is the only way for you to believe and that is why the guvment and the prevailing obsequious elements within the media hide the horror of it from you, amongst other things.

If you could see perhaps first hand what the rock spiders of the catholic church have done to minors both by act and omission then I think for sure *Belly* would act strongly against them if given the opportunity, having read many months ago now some of his views visa vi same.

As for you, well, clearly you have some way to go.

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The catholic church should be obliterated, stripped of wealth and title, and given no further opportunity to transgress.

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As if the aftermath of WWII was not enough? Would it interest you to know *Belly* that courtesy of the catholic church many Nazi War Criminals were given sanctuary and smuggled out?

Would you perhaps like a link to say WikiPedia to verify the truth of that statement also?

Dear DreamOn,

My apologist position for child abusers?
What on earth are you talking about.

Kindly go back and re-read my posts and
show me where I have EVER, ever, had an
"apologist position" for child abusers.

I have stated quite clearly
that the sexual abuse of children is horrendous and
intolerable and that the failure of the church to deal
with it effectively has done immeasurable damage to the
victims. The cover-ups, the protection of abusive
clergy, and the refusal to admit egregious mistakes
are unjustifiable.

Do you even read what people actually post before you respond?
If you do, then I can only assume that you have a
problem with comprehension. Sadly, that is something
that I can't do much about.