Quite a shock, I have been impressed by both those who are telling of his goodness, and how they will miss him.
And those looking for other reasons he is going.
Italians, a group not near all,are researching his past,in relation to support for other Priests actions.
What ever the reason it is an event that we have not seen for 1200 years.
What will be the out comes?
Maybe a new direction for Catholics, a new leader leading ?
A chance exists Pell would get the job, let us hope not.

Dear Belly,

It is quite a surprise as I had assumed that
Popes stay in the job until they die. This
goes against that tradition. I believe that
this is the first Pope who's resigned in 600 years.
Still, he did look very frail and I guess that if
he feels that he can't do the job properly because of
his ill health then it is the right decision to resign.

The Pope's resignation now gives the Church the
choice in selecting a new Pope to confront both
the difficulties and the opportunities that the Church
faces. Let us trust that the Vatican will be able to
do precisely that. Fingers-crossed that they will choose
someone of a less conservative ethos than our own
Cardinal Pell.

Belly,
You ask "What will be the out comes?"

The RC church will appoint a new Pope and just carry on, so very little or nothing will change. No big event really.

Those expecting any dramatic change will be dissappointed. Don't try to hold your breath.

Archy Pell to become Pope, the bookies have him at 50 to 1. Imagine Archy in the job, those odd can't be right, he would have to be a million to 1. Then again Ratzinger got the nod last time.
Anyway I don't give a rat's who's the big boy in Rome.

>>Imagine Archy in the job, those odd can't be right, he would have to be a million to 1.<<

That would put him at longer odds than Richard Dawkins and Father Jack Hackett - a fictional priest from the comedy show Father Ted.

I like the idea of Pell for Pope. He'll head off to Rome and we won't have to put up with him any more.

But my first choice would have to be Cthulhu for Pope.

Cheers,

Tony

maybe the three who knived Rudd might have some suggestions?

Interesting angle, runner.

>>maybe the three who knived Rudd might have some suggestions?<<

And there's this:

Nicola Roxon resigns.

Pope Benedict resigns the following week.

Coincidence?

You be the judge.

Momentous is the word Lexi,I too believed that.
We must not avoid the current state of a Church many true Christians believe is the anti Christ.
Had to be said not nice and not right, there is no anti Christ.
But just maybe this man, under a shadow rightly or wrongly, from his past actions when confronted by Child molestation events.
He may have left in hope not fear.
No doubt a true reformist Pope, fronting head on the need for single priests not wed ones and changing to get closer to the normal.
Head on open book look at current world wide fears about many things no less than child molesting.
We may see a new more reformist Catholic Church.
If not?
Well if other reasons drove him out we may see the increasing move away from such a Church.

Dear Belly,

We have not yet even begun to calculate the
damage sexual abuse has done to people's
trust and to the reputation of the Church.
Trust is going to have to be built from the
bottom up by bishops and priests before their
pronouncements on morality will be taken
seriously again. That's why Papal leadership
is so important.

The controlling approach to
the community and the inability of its
leadership to come to grips with a fast-changing
society will have people abandoning worship
and faith practice.

Unfortunately, if the Vatican again elects a Pope
like Benedict XVI, who sees the Church as the
sole repository of absolute, unchangeable truth
about God, life, and moral values, then their
response to the dilemmas Catholicism faces will
be to simply say that the Church is here to guide
the world and that it has little or nothing to
gain from mundane wisdom.

The Catholic's task as Benedict saw it was to tell
it as it is, to proclaim the Church's teaching in
season and out of season. This was especially true
regarding life issues like, abortion, stem cell
research, contraception, gender issues, homosexuality,
all that are seen as centrally important in today's
world.

We can only hope that a new pope will be of a different
school - though as another poster stated - don't hold
your breath.

Lexi aware you and others are Catholics I was reluctant to go full on in relation to the charge some lay against your Church.
That it is the anti Christ.
Yet you in that post spoke of the reality your Church confronts better than any one, with honesty.
I think it is the very last chance Catholics must hope you get a better leader.
And get the reforms.
I fear such a man may not exist , not one with the years of being part of the Church.
Not one who has the great courage and insight to see what is needed.
I do not except the given reason for this one leaving.

What about the Mad Monk, He wants an election ASAP, here is his perfect opportunity, I can just picture the Abbott in the Holy Sea.......without a life jacket! Give me Tony's How To Vote on this one, please.

>>Give me Tony's How To Vote on this one, please.<<

Become a Cardinal. That means lots of study and lots of celibacy :(

Alternatively fly to Rome and mug a Cardinal that looks like you, steal his robes and take his place in the conclave.

Cheers,

Tony

Maybe the Catholic Church will make a big change and accept the faith of Jesus. See you all at Circumcision Gulch.

"lots of celibacy" Tony, I already eat all my vegetables! Celibacy is that something the Italians eat with pasta?

"mug a Cardinal that looks like you" What's the name of that bloke from Nigeria?
Tony I think if I become Pope I could have a problem with sex, could you give me a hand with that?

Sorry Tony, just read my post back, don't want you to get the wrong idea with that hand business, I was talking metaphorically. I remember when the Holy Father said to all good Catholic boys "Stop it you'll go blind." My mate Dave The Dasher, he stopped it, and sure enough a week later Dave went blind, the Holy Father was spot on. Glad I've got 20/20 vision myself!

Dear Paul,

That reminds of the old joke about Mother Superior
giving her usual lecture at a Catholic Girls' High
School on Wednesday Morning in the Assembly Hall
and warning the girls that one hour's of pleasure
would land them in hell and damnation for all of
eternity. Mother Superior was on a roll with her
"fire and brimstone" declarations when a small young
voice called out from the back of the hall:

"Mother, how do you make it last an hour?" ;)

Sex and this Church are fun.
Just think, this, the first Christian Church, told us sex was the original sin.
If we believed we would not be here.
Well I would be.
We however would have seen the end of Christians hundreds of years ago no sex no kids.
Pope today said he goes for the good of the Church, many may ask what does that say?

Posted by Lexi, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 5:52:28 PM

" ... We can only hope that a new pope will be of a different
school - though as another poster stated - don't hold
your breath. ... "

As reported RatSinger personally picked all of those from whom his successor will be appointed thus it is likely that another criminal conservative will emerge.

I would remind you all that again, as a matter of public record, RatSinger would have been arrested in england if not for the intercession of Australia's most foul head of state.

The reason for this is because it is alleged that RatSinger personally knew of most if not all of the known child molesters and child rapists within the church, and not only did he not turn them over to the authorities, but he actively hid the information and participated in the relocation of the bent priests from one parish to another.

And to listen to what comes out of the slime in canberra from both of the major parties makes me want to spew.

Someone one on the news tonight mentioned "Tubular Bells" which makes me think, if a fighter or one of those affected in some way by one of these child abusers, or baby stealing nuns or bent priests who covered up for them and or turned a blind eye got in there to the vatican and performed a ceremony reminiscent of one of the Exorcist movies, I would personally applaud it.

Stretching it a bit dream on?
Show me a link, from other than conspiracy sites.
One that talks of near arrest, or any intention to do so, in England.
Then show me the evidence Australian head of state stopped it taking place.
I never liked the bloke.
But is it not clear, even to you, while we can dump millions of words about the horror of the Churchs failure in the area of child molesting, it may play no roll in this issue?
I think, may well be wrong, the bloke has gone for the good of the Church.
It could be his own faults and actions.
Or, lets hope, to put a brand new leader4 with ability and a plan in place.
For just a second, drop the fact it is Catholic Church we talk of.
If it was a trading company we would ,surely, think it was first step in new directions.

Paul Collins in his book, "Believers..." tells
us that:

"One of the public areas where
Catholicism has failed significantly is in its
relationship to the media. Usually the Church
blames the media for this and, on the occasions
when Catholicism crosses their consciousness,
the media blames the Church for refusing to
communicate... The situation has been exacerbated
by the sexual abuse crisis; the Church's
reputation has been badly tarnished by this issue."

"A major part of the problem is that both parties harbour
ill-informed stereotypes of each other. The Church sees
the media in oppositional terms: Church men and official
Catholics are often convinced that journalists are out
to "get them" and that, with a few exceptions, both
print and electronic media are dominated by secularists
and anti-Catholics who are determined to present the
Church badly and are always looking for faults and
failures which are constantly highlighted, often
unfairly."

"The feeling is that the media never covers Catholicism's
strengths and successes: that they are buried in a morass
of bad publicity."

While there may be a grain of truth in this claim, Paul
Collins tells us that the reasons for the criticism are
much simpler. He explains that:

"The media and journalists,
when they do think about the Church - which is not very
often - are more or less convinced that Catholicism is a
secretive, centrally-controlled, hierarchical organisation
that is not responsible to anyone except the Pope and
hierarchy."

The behaviour of the Church in the sexual abuse
crisis has encouraged this attitide, and there's a feeling
globally that at its worst the Church has sheltered pedophiles
and sees itself above the law.

This has to change - and the Church now has the opportunity
to do something to change these perceptions by electing
the right sort of leadership. A leader who will not
make the same serious mistakes and errors of judgement,
offering only simplistic solutions to the complex
historical process through which the Church and our society
is passing. That is the foundation on which the Church
need to build, if it wants to survive.

Lexi you are aware I have little trust in the media.
The printed form in particular is trying not to drown, it will fail in its current form.
NSW Posters will be aware of the inquiry starting yesterday.
And new charges against two Catholics, one a teacher.
The Miserable and constant reminders about two institutions in the Newcastle area, is heart breaking, no other word for it.
And those events, may be the reason we are to have a Royal commission, for sure, after a police officer told of internal cover ups, in the Church and the force, it gave reason for the NSW inquiry.
I doubt, media has done much wrong, in reporting the unacceptable truth.
The Church must confront its wrongs.

Dear Belly,

I fully agree with you concerning the
Church and the issue of sexual abuse.

Time will tell us all Lexi.
IF the next Pope does not address that issue.
And in my view the need for single only Priests.
We may see an ancient prediction come true.
A very long time ago, I think it was a Pope?, a prediction naming every Pope from that day, said this next Pope was to be the last.

Any chance of making the job redundant, pension old Ratzinger off, give him a severance package of stale bread and wine, chuck in a pair of rosary beads to keep the old bloke amused. Then put him in one of those places where old priests go to cark it!

http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm
We may walk away from this link.
Name it superstition, nonsense, but we can say that about the faith too.
I was aware of the predictions.
Never took much notice ,until now.
A page could have been posted, remember this link is to words spoken over a thousand years ago, the predicted this Popes early departure.

Dear Belly,

I very much doubt if this will be our last Pope.
I would be more cautious about Catholicism's future.
As Paul Collins in his book, "Believers..." tells us:

"Certainly all of the evidence shows that in many places,
especially Africa and parts of Asia, the Church is
growing and will prosper, and there is no doubt in my
mind that it will continue to be a major force in the
next century. However, this does not mean that
Catholicism in specific places, like Europe or Australia,
might not be in trouble."

As Collins explains:

"Australians are not crass materialists, nor are they
secular, lazy beach-loving slobs. And the local branch
of Catholicism, while it may be seriously ill, is
not yet in its terminal stages. Benedict XVI's perceptions
about Australian "Godlessness" may be explained by the
fact that our religiosity is non-dogmatic, egalitarian
and simply doesn't take institutional authority seriously.
Australians are independent, sceptical and laid back.
What we don't agree with, we ignore."

This doesn't mean that Australians are not spiritual in
understated ways. As Collins stresses "Australians can be
surprisingly reverent in unexpected places, like the
bush...all the evidence suggests that there is a
strong belief in the transcendent; this is especially
true of those who are in touch with our country's
extraordinary landscape."

But, I've gone off track a bit here. Anyway, as I stated
earlier - don't write things off just yet.

It is a matter of public record *Belly* and I am quite sure that if you have an interest that you will be able to find it, notwithstanding that it was another one of those stories that received little air time and was likely pulled by way of the ugly australian guvment's largely unfettered power and influence when it comes to censorship, a fact which in and of itself is also given minimal if any public air time.

Still, I may assist as I am fond to provide citation, preferring evidenced based commentary.

The unfortunate political reality is that there are so many largely stupid and ignorant catholics and those of similar ilk that the guvment has not the moral fortitude to put the church down once and for all.

Which brings me to the so called royal commission. Given that the guvment continues to abuse people including children on the one hand and has refused to strip the church of its absurdly offensive "non-legal entity" status, and given that as any skilled librarian would know, most of these kinds of reports do little but end up collecting dust on the shelves of the off limits and uncategorised section of decrepit old libraries, I suspect that it will amount to very little in real terms.

As for the Greens, their continuing support for the ALP is unconscionable, as it is unacceptable to me for them not to act by binning the agreement they have with the ALP. Whilst the ALP may be the lesser of 2 evils, an evil they remain and they need to be stamped on.

Here *Belly* is an interesting start point for you:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/13/pope-prosecution-dawkins

But there is a huge amount of information on the matter, so as you please.

Do consider noting the date on this particular article, and note also that Ratzinger did turn up and was personally greeted on the red carpet by *Lizzy* Of course if you understand the legal implications of such an act then, well, I rest my case.

..

As for Lexi, well, it is not that I suggest that the church is entirely devoid of merit, or that there is not some good in it and some good people. However, the head of the snake must be severed in order that that goodness may "spiritually" flourish.

If the time comes and you go beyond what may be a state of desensitisation brought about by the prevailing protocols of group social engineering, I should think that you have the innate potential for what we refer to as the "Free Priest/essHood," believed to not be ordained by people, but by Spirit, and indicated by, amongst other things, an inner desire to harmonise the opposing forces and to bring unity round about.

..

Another driver for his resignation of course may be an economic one, as now in Europe the church will be forced to pay taxes on all of its non churchy worldly property interests, resulting in a prediction of a serious debt crisis risk.

I often wonder if perhaps some commentators who
aren't well informed about Catholicism specifically,
and religion generally and are obviously influenced
by ecclesiastical stereotypes and caricatures should
simply refrain from making generalisations and sweeping
statements. As Barney Zwartz (The Age religion reporter)
points out:

"There are hardly any religion specialists in the media in
Asutralia, there is not instructor, and it's a subject
that often inspires strong passions."

Of course the sexual abuse crisis has done immeasurable
damage to the Church and trust is going to have to be
built up from the top down.

However the Royal Commission is a step in the right direction.
It will be looking across religious organisations as well as
state-based care. There's a need to get things on the table.
As Mr Abbott has stated, "We support it!"
and George Brandeis has added:

"There are no politics in this and the Opposition gladly
joins with the government in supporting the Royal Commission."

Hear! Hear!

Well, it may take some time to overcome the mentality produced by socialisation and childhood programming.

..

As a non legal entity, the churches wealth cannot be targeted in compensation claims.

So, who will pay for the shattered minds in need of specialist brain doping and psychological support? One assumes that any anal fissures have long since healed, but then, depending on how badly they were buggered, and of course, in absence of the complete medical facts.

The reality of the public system is that it is already well past being able to cope with the sharp edge of psychiatric emergency, let alone this. As my friend Mrs X is fond to quote, many are the times when as an outpatient she has waited for half a day or more, sometimes being forgotten and temporarily locked in, only to be confronted with some young intern who has be dealing with people "crawling up the walls," who is visibly shaken, distressed and stressed:

Brain Doper " ... Da Da Da ... "

Mrs X: " ... Just a script thanks Doc. ... "

Trainee Brain Doper " ... Da Da Da ... "

And as the private practising members of the A.M.A. (aka the A.ustralian $M.oneyGrubbers$ A.ssociation) insist on upwards of $AU300 per hour, it is only the privileged few that can afford both the time and the cost, thus, the victims will largely go without.

Of course, no doubt some wig parasites will have a feeding frenzy at the tax payers expense in this pitiful mockery of justice.

..

Lexi
" ... Of course the sexual abuse crisis has done immeasurable
damage to the Church and trust is going to have to be
built up from the top down. ... "

After they've hopefully cut off its head, arrested the bent priests and hopefully hung, drawn and quartered the lot of them.

..

Tsk, tsk, as you know what they have done don't you *Lexi?* The rock spiders in the liberal party care for little other than them and their own.

The veil that shrouds you begins to grow thin.

Dear DreamOn,

I would like to reply to your previous post
but I'm not able to simply because I don't
understand what it is that you are trying to say.
All I'm gettting is a lot of anger, malice, and
intolerance. How about starting again - and
telling us what you really think in plain language?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/pope-benedict-xvis-leaked-documents-show-fractured-vatican-full-of-rivalries/2013/02/16/23ce0280-76c2-11e2-8f84-3e4b513b1a13_story.html
Lexi no need to wounder.
Be assured it is so.
Also know, without doubt, many views are built on a rock of failure to under stand both sides.
Dream on likes a niggle, usually at me, and this time he/she seems to think I am Catholic, or defending the Churches wrongs.
The link is long, informative, and seems to have a view, from inside the Vatican.
The southern Americans, some Africans, will need to be dead, before the Catholic Church is.

Thanks Belly for that.

I now understand.

"As for the Greens, their continuing support for the ALP is unconscionable, as it is unacceptable to me for them not to act by binning the agreement they have with the ALP. Whilst the ALP may be the lesser of 2 evils, an evil they remain and they need to be stamped on."

DreamOn as a member of The Greens, this so called agreement with Labor, like many members it was something I never supported and I made that clear from the very beginning to people that matter within the party. It was something Bob and others wanted, and so it was. 18 months ago I had a discussion with one of our Senators about this and she used the lesser of 2 evils argument. There were other motives for the agreement, stable government for one, our agenda for another, thing I never thought it would bring. On asylum seekers, on carbon and mining taxes, the concepts are good but Labor has got them badly wrong with implementation. The Labor brand has turned toxic both federally and here in NSW, my home state, I don't think they are doing well elsewhere either. Unfortunately we Greens will cop some of the flack, but it will be a lesson learned for both us on the progressive side of politics and for Australia in general as the people endure 3 years of 'Abbottism'.

Thanks for that *Paul1405* as it is reassuring that the core of some of the *Greens* remain unchanged.

Still, there is no doubt something in the old saying that many are the good people who enter the political fray only to be corrupted bit by bit the further they ascend.

..

*Lexi* do spare me your pathetic attempt to deflect attention from your apologist position for these child abusers. It is not a "fair bump play on" situation. They must pay for their crimes.

The problem with some of you people is that "seeing" often is the only way for you to believe and that is why the guvment and the prevailing obsequious elements within the media hide the horror of it from you, amongst other things.

If you could see perhaps first hand what the rock spiders of the catholic church have done to minors both by act and omission then I think for sure *Belly* would act strongly against them if given the opportunity, having read many months ago now some of his views visa vi same.

As for you, well, clearly you have some way to go.

..

The catholic church should be obliterated, stripped of wealth and title, and given no further opportunity to transgress.

..

As if the aftermath of WWII was not enough? Would it interest you to know *Belly* that courtesy of the catholic church many Nazi War Criminals were given sanctuary and smuggled out?

Would you perhaps like a link to say WikiPedia to verify the truth of that statement also?

Dear DreamOn,

My apologist position for child abusers?
What on earth are you talking about.

Kindly go back and re-read my posts and
show me where I have EVER, ever, had an
"apologist position" for child abusers.

I have stated quite clearly
that the sexual abuse of children is horrendous and
intolerable and that the failure of the church to deal
with it effectively has done immeasurable damage to the
victims. The cover-ups, the protection of abusive
clergy, and the refusal to admit egregious mistakes
are unjustifiable.

Do you even read what people actually post before you respond?
If you do, then I can only assume that you have a
problem with comprehension. Sadly, that is something
that I can't do much about.

Dream on tells me he is not the man I thought he was.
I hope not, that bloke is in need of help, in fact gets it on a regular basis.
Dream on your charges against Lexi are wrong, and rude.
Just read her posts, in just this thread.
Who do you see protecting the Catholic Church?
And can you truly, think every Catholic shares the guilt of some of its Priests?

I need to step back from a comment.
Any observer paying attention knows how much I dislike the Catholic Church.
And all who hide offenses against children in their care.
I took a strap to DreanOn here, we never get on.
But this day watched Dateline, the story of the 9 year long inquiry in to this Church in Ireland.
Church took the inquiry to court, so no offenders name would come out.
And none did, not one offender charged.
Dream ons view is near mine now.
I can not see a way without the greatest of changes this evil will stop or will put the offenders in prison.
Sorry DreamOn, sorry too for those believing in Christ, that deeds done in his places are so very evil.

Dear Belly,

I too watched the Dateline program on
what was done in Ireland. It was very
distressing. We can only hope that the
Royal Commission here will have very
different results and that the abusers will
be charged. These monsters must be held to
account and pay for what they did. And the
Church can never ever be allowed to be
above the law in matters of the abuse of
children.

I hope the church chooses someone not only in fair health but someone qualified and able to steer the catholic church in the right direction

The basic problem is that there is no right direction for the Catholic Church. It is basically institutionised superstition as are all organised religions.

However, human institutions are like living entities. They wish to continue their existence and will employ many means to that end. In the case of the Catholic Church one of those means is the coverup of crimes against children.

I read today of conspiracy's that the Pope went because he was being undermined.
It spoke of homosexual sex in the Vatican, frankly it must be true, the sex bit man is not meant to be without it.
I am hurt to see this whole matter , and near begging for long prison terms.
But in truth, so many poorer country,s want this Church, while I have little faith in it.
A new leader with real guts is needed and the best outcome bar letting it die.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/coverup-the-priest-the-archbishop-and-a-hurt-14yearold-girl-20130222-2ewvp.html
My days, half my life, of following the God Myth had no back doors I was totally committed to behavior suited to my Gods followers.
And while no follower now, the institutionalized behavior is still my path.
The link, the unmasking of child molesting in Churches of every faith.
Jewish and Jehovah Witnesses of late unmasked.
And the Catholic Church leading the way, to its own Hell.
Tell me, just this link, can those still hiding names, those who protected the offends/offenders do they believe in God?
Surely not!

Dear Belly,

What has believing in God to do with behaving decently? When I was a child I heard about the story of Abraham and Isaac. I was scared and asked my father what he would do if he heard a voice from God telling him to do me in. He told me he would see a psychiatrist. I believed the old man but started to doubt a God who would tell a father to kill his son.

Unfortunately being willing to commit atrocities to show one has faith is a staple of religion then, now and in the future.

The atrocities against children are only part of the evil of faith.

Dave, What would you have said if your Dad's reply was; "Naturally, I would do you in son! can't go against the word of the Big G" It's no problem anyway, my advice is switch god's, I believe the Hindu's have plenty to spare, particularly like the one that looks like an elephant, a rather cuddly god.
If the Catholic Church was a private organisation, it would be closed down! Ratzinger would get life with 50 years non-parole. alternately nail him to a cross, he'd like that, keep with tradition etc.

Davidf as you know I believe in no God.
But we live in the real world.
Probably, based on all religions not just Christianity more do than do not.
We could heap wood on a one sided fire forever, in just comparing our views.
But those we target will continue to be as they are believers.
My question needs an answer, do the offenders believe in God?
I can tell you many do, a close relative, born again one, thinks Gods gift to him, is the ability to sidestep responsibility for his every act.
And too the acts of family kindness to him are from those forced to do it, by God.

Dear Belly,

Believing in a religion and believing in a god are two different things. Buddhists, as an example, do not maintain that either God or a soul exists. Not all religions are theistic religions.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/britains-cardinal-obrien-steps-down-20130225-2f2c4.html
I am not a hater.
If I ever claim to be, I am letting my self down ,it is not me.
But this story,the one becoming well known, from within the Vatican
ASKS questions.Just what is this Church.
Growing up I heard the hate in Migrants from Scotland, oh yes near the same as those I heard from Ireland.
And the shear Protestant biased view the Church was of the Devil.
I do not want to trade on that, but remembering my Christianity, a whole and once consuming belief.
May I ask what would Christ do.
From my current happy not to believe days?
Why do we continue to give tax break is to such? is that not a fraud?
Criminal one, on tax payers?

Wish I'd been clever enough to create this:

"Say what you will about popery, but at least it smells nice."

Dear Belly,

Why ask what Christ would do? He was probably a composite figure made of various legendary wonder workers. Ask what is the best thing for you do under the circumstances considering your capabilities. The money changers performed a useful function. People came there from other countries with other coinages and needed to get local currencies. Driving them out of the temple was no more reasonable than driving them out of the Brisbane airport. Are you prepared to drive the money changers from the Brisbane airport?

Davidf lets not fight over his existence.
He exists in the mind of believers, and or them is real.
Not for you or me.
Given they believe, what would the God of their belief say, that was my point.
I am down on the Catholic Church today, in no mood to let it off the hook.
Todays print media both tells of *a self confessed pedophile Priest convicted and in prison*, his fellow Priests say he was not guilty.
And too of victims being held in contempt by a Church that seems to be an institution for sex offenders.