I'd be interested to hear your take on Agenda 21, Pericles.

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Word around county there is everyones having one made, installed in country area's where be plenty of forest with ground wood [ enough for decades ].
Try that here and see how far you get.
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It's doable here to, pepper. If you have a license to serve cupcakes with candles and stop kids blowing all over the birthday cakes.

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We have more Poirot's than Arjays, which is why we are up the creek without a paddle.
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I don't know about Poirot. It's hard to tell from an internet forum forum what peoples real feelings are.

But your statement is exactly right, sonofgloin.

So Poirot have you and Naomi Klein cut down your consumption levels to those you think everyone else should be at?

I doubt that, RawMustard.

>>I'd be interested to hear your take on Agenda 21, Pericles.<<

In my view, Agenda 21 is nothing more than a symbol that has been adopted by various conspiracy-nut factions as the all-encompassing bogeyman. One that they bring out and wave at each other every time they are bored, or feel the need to promote themselves as being uniquely aware of the forces of darkness that they fear are running their miserable lives.

Its actual content has become irrelevant. Its genesis has become irrelevant.

Let's face it, it was put together by the same bunch of self-righteous freeloaders that periodically gives us lectures on "human rights", and then elects Libya to chair the UNCHR.

Not the sharpest knives, I fear. If they ever did indeed have a mind to dominate the world, we can take comfort from the fact that they wouldn't have the faintest clue where to start.

It is, when you look at its forty chaptaers, a typical product of an international consortium of airy-fairy tree-huggers. A fact that has completely by-passed the conspiracy-dudes' critical faculties, and allowed it to become the 21st Century equivalent of reds-under-the-bed.

One of the problems, as I keep pointing out to Arjay, is that the folk who stand up at conferences and spout all this "international conspiracy" rubbish are invariably fringe attention-seekers, with little or no grasp of how the world turns. Ann Bressington is one of this clan. The more depressing part is that it is costing the Australian taxpayer a million bucks to watch her do it.

In the real world, Agenda 21 is studiously ignored, like the drunken uncle at the family Christmas party.

The minute there is anything stronger than hurriedly knitted-together circumstantial evidence of imminent global control, the matter will have my full attention, I can assure you.

But I suspect that day is as far away as ever.

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I doubt that, RawMustard.
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That I'd be interested in your opinion?

As strange as it may seem to some. I actually agree with you, Pericles. But these thugs are having an influence on our supposed leaders which are affecting real people and their lives today. I'm sure you don't need reminding of that?

Simply waiting for the time they try to take it further and ignoring its existence can't be a smart move, surely?

This is how the 'execution' of Agenda 21 is implemented in Australia:

"In order to oversee the development of national strategies and policy issues concerning the environment and ecologically sustainable development there is a range of mechanisms, which provide an administrative and Ministerial framework for advice and input. Overall coordination is effected through the Council of Australian Governments (COAG), relevant Ministerial Councils, including Agriculture and Resource Management Council of Australia and New Zealand (ARMCANZ), Australian and New Zealand Environment and Conservation Council (ANZECC), Murray Darling Basin Ministerial Council (MDBC), National Environment Protection Council (NEPC) and related working groups reporting to these bodies."

In other words, through our own governments and their agencies, of which Ann Bressington MLC (SA) is a part... be afraid, be very afraid.

We see farmers being pushed of their land with water restrictions,declaration of national parks,bans on land clearing,over regulation etc,yet developing countries can please themselves.

As Senator Bressington said herself,in 2008 she didn't believe it at first.

We had de-industrialisation ,sale of Govt banks,power stations,over regualation to tie business in knots.It is never ending.

All the evidence is there but many like Pericles and WMtrevor refuse to acknowledge it.Cognitive dissonance?