http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sES6_OXPwOU Ann Bressington is an Australian Senator who is the first Politician here to address the UN Agenda of making the West total serfs to Global Governance as espoused by Bob Brown.

The origins of the environmental movement began in 1968 when the Club Of Rome an elist's think tank was formed to mould the world in their vision.Their vision was to create a series of crises so that we the people would give up our freedoms for the noble pursuit of saving the planet from environment destruction.

George Bush Senior 1992," The effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound re-oreintation of human society unlike anything the world has ever experienced.We need an unpresidented re-deployment of human and financial resources."

Maurice Strong ,billionaire oil magnate and ex-secretary of the UN."Current lifestyles of the affluent middle class involving high meat intake.....use of fossil fuels etc ...are not sustainable."

In 1975 our Govts signed the Lima Agreement which effectively re-deployed production,jobs and new innovation to developing nations such as China.The real enemy of the elites was the Western middle class who had real freedoms,not the Chinese.However China has not buckled to the system of Global Governance and thus are now demonised.

Sustainability is the catch phrase to make us feel guilty about our success.Satellite evidence demonstrates that there has been no increase in temps since 1997 even with expoential increases in CO2.

Rahm Emmanuel ex Chief of Staff to Obama," You should never let a good crisis go to waste since you can do things that ordinarily were thought impossible." Maurice Strong and Obama's science Tsar John Holdren want to see the population of the planet reduced by 90%.Will they volunteer to go first?

On my alternate media this speech by Ann Bressington has gone viral.

Sorry, Arjay...but Rahm Emmanuel pinched that line from Milton Friedman - the daddy of neo-liberal-think.

Disaster capitalism is more likely the name of the game . You should read Naomi Klein's book if you want to be informed on how the real experts manufacture and take advantage of crises to push their "agenda"

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/excerpt

The real disaster for us Poirot has been the sale of 4 state banks and the Commonwealth.All our new money for growth + inflation now created as debt and our national debt is enormous.

As Ann Bressington said it is almost checkmate.All our pollies from Labor ,Coalition,Greens Democrats etc have sold us out and continue to do so.

I don’t always agree with Ajay’s take on things but he has a point, this time.

If you think that the “concern” being expressed by those like Poirot to environmental change is motivated by a desire for a clean environment --you are haven’t been following their prattle. Like this piece from Poirot’s patron saint of poppycock, Naomi Klien – which Poirot, apparently, didn’t think to read before linking to back in November 2012:
"The deniers did not decide that climate change is a left-wing conspiracy by uncovering some covert socialist plot. They arrived at this analysis by taking a hard look at what it would take to lower global emissions as drastically and as rapidly as climate science [read AGW activists] demand…Here’s my inconvenient truth: they aren’t wrong"
http://www.thenation.com/article/164497/capitalism-vs-climate

And you haven’t been following the latest potlatch in Doha where the hottest new issue was a mega-bucks, climate change compensation fund.

Incidentally, the latest codswallop being peddled by Naomi and her congregation is “Disaster Capitalism” and includes this ludicrous claim: “In China in 1989, it was the shock of the Tiananmen Square massacre and the arrests of tens of thousands that freed the Communist party to convert much of the country into a sprawling export zone” !
[Anyone who has followed Chinese history will know just how wide of the mark that is!]

The extreme left’s starting point is a pathological hatred of “capitalism”. And AGW as just the latest weapon in their jihad against capitalism, and the West generally. Which might be why you will never hear any of them raise so much as a whimper against the Islamisists, their natural allies.And in truth in a different time or a different place –or perhaps just this place in some future time – they would make perfect fundamentalists. They have all the attributes needed, it would be only a case of relabeling them.

So the real “urgent question” we should be addressing is not why our industry produces so much CO2 -- but HOW does our education system produce so many ill-informed left-leaning commentators who produce so much H2S!

Never mind, SPQR,

Contrary to your notion of a big fat socialist plot, the real "plotters" are part of the one percent that Arjay's always banging on about : )

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=who-funds-contrariness-on

http://inagist.com/all/299207653660426241/

@Poirot

"The deniers did not decide that climate change is a left-wing conspiracy by uncovering some covert socialist plot. They arrived at this analysis by taking a hard look at what it would take to lower global emissions as drastically and as rapidly as climate science [read AGW activists] demand…Here’s my inconvenient truth: they aren’t wrong"

That was (your most favoured source) Naomi speaking -- NOT me!

And then we have this:

"one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy... One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole"

And that was Edenhofer co-chair of the IPCC's Working Group III, and lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report --NOT me!

Arjay is correct about the banks. Yesterday Alternet had an excellent article pointing out how the five biggest banks in the USA are now too big to fail and how they now control a substantially increased share of USA assets.

Arjay is wrong about the national debt. Anyone interested in the national debt situation should follow the arguments of Professors Wray, Black, Kelton and their associates from the University of Missouri, Kansas City on the New Economic Perspectives blog. Bill Mitchell's blog, Billyblog runs similar arguments.

William Black wrote a book, "The Best Way to Rob a Bank is to Own One."

Australia needs a common weal bank like we had as the Commonwealth Bank before those neo-liberal dupes Hawke and Keating fell for the completely crappy argument that real assets should be privatized.

The present high power prices are really nothing to do with poles and power lines, it is all to do with windfall profits, available from the idiotic bulk power pricing system that followed privatization.

Starting in about early September the efficient NSW power station at Eraring was off line for eight weeks. For that period less efficient power stations were on line and all power was bulk billed at the price necessary to keep the worst of those power stations on line. Every efficient privately owned power station, including Victoria's brown coal fired plants received a windfall profit and we, the mugs, will eventually pay the cost of that windfall.

One day, perhaps, you might find someone with a skerrick of credibility to support your ridiculous conspiracy theories, Arjay.

Today is not that day, I'm afraid.

SPQR,

I see you are well-versed in denialism's foremost tenet...."cherry-picking".

The entirety of the article is the message.

It's a no-brainer that a system that pollutes its nest as comprehensively as globalised capitalism does, needs to be adjusted.

Der.....

My daughter lives in the USA and relo's have a country place. The modest 4 bedroom home is powered by a generator driven by a wood fired, steam piston stationary engine [ day and night ]. Word around county there is everyones having one made, installed in country area's where be plenty of forest with ground wood [ enough for decades ].
Try that here and see how far you get.

@Poirot,

<<I see you are well-versed in denialism's foremost tenet...."cherry-picking">>

You are OLO's most proficient cherry picker (and "parrot", ROFL -though I personally think Indian Mynah might be a better fit --Parrot's after all have some redeeming qualities!)

<<The entirety of the article is the message...>>

The message (and intent) is clear -- you ought to read the fine print before you sign on to these (fashionable) campaigns.

Double Der!

We have more Poirot's than Arjays, which is why we are up the creek without a paddle.

Not much that I can add Arjay. The Europeans like the Aussies are predominantly imbeciles. The only groups that I can see railing against this in any meaningful way are the fringe "nationalists" groups in America, as long as they still have their weapons.

I'd be interested to hear your take on Agenda 21, Pericles.

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Word around county there is everyones having one made, installed in country area's where be plenty of forest with ground wood [ enough for decades ].
Try that here and see how far you get.
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It's doable here to, pepper. If you have a license to serve cupcakes with candles and stop kids blowing all over the birthday cakes.

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We have more Poirot's than Arjays, which is why we are up the creek without a paddle.
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I don't know about Poirot. It's hard to tell from an internet forum forum what peoples real feelings are.

But your statement is exactly right, sonofgloin.

So Poirot have you and Naomi Klein cut down your consumption levels to those you think everyone else should be at?

I doubt that, RawMustard.

>>I'd be interested to hear your take on Agenda 21, Pericles.<<

In my view, Agenda 21 is nothing more than a symbol that has been adopted by various conspiracy-nut factions as the all-encompassing bogeyman. One that they bring out and wave at each other every time they are bored, or feel the need to promote themselves as being uniquely aware of the forces of darkness that they fear are running their miserable lives.

Its actual content has become irrelevant. Its genesis has become irrelevant.

Let's face it, it was put together by the same bunch of self-righteous freeloaders that periodically gives us lectures on "human rights", and then elects Libya to chair the UNCHR.

Not the sharpest knives, I fear. If they ever did indeed have a mind to dominate the world, we can take comfort from the fact that they wouldn't have the faintest clue where to start.

It is, when you look at its forty chaptaers, a typical product of an international consortium of airy-fairy tree-huggers. A fact that has completely by-passed the conspiracy-dudes' critical faculties, and allowed it to become the 21st Century equivalent of reds-under-the-bed.

One of the problems, as I keep pointing out to Arjay, is that the folk who stand up at conferences and spout all this "international conspiracy" rubbish are invariably fringe attention-seekers, with little or no grasp of how the world turns. Ann Bressington is one of this clan. The more depressing part is that it is costing the Australian taxpayer a million bucks to watch her do it.

In the real world, Agenda 21 is studiously ignored, like the drunken uncle at the family Christmas party.

The minute there is anything stronger than hurriedly knitted-together circumstantial evidence of imminent global control, the matter will have my full attention, I can assure you.

But I suspect that day is as far away as ever.

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I doubt that, RawMustard.
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That I'd be interested in your opinion?

As strange as it may seem to some. I actually agree with you, Pericles. But these thugs are having an influence on our supposed leaders which are affecting real people and their lives today. I'm sure you don't need reminding of that?

Simply waiting for the time they try to take it further and ignoring its existence can't be a smart move, surely?

This is how the 'execution' of Agenda 21 is implemented in Australia:

"In order to oversee the development of national strategies and policy issues concerning the environment and ecologically sustainable development there is a range of mechanisms, which provide an administrative and Ministerial framework for advice and input. Overall coordination is effected through the Council of Australian Governments (COAG), relevant Ministerial Councils, including Agriculture and Resource Management Council of Australia and New Zealand (ARMCANZ), Australian and New Zealand Environment and Conservation Council (ANZECC), Murray Darling Basin Ministerial Council (MDBC), National Environment Protection Council (NEPC) and related working groups reporting to these bodies."

In other words, through our own governments and their agencies, of which Ann Bressington MLC (SA) is a part... be afraid, be very afraid.

We see farmers being pushed of their land with water restrictions,declaration of national parks,bans on land clearing,over regulation etc,yet developing countries can please themselves.

As Senator Bressington said herself,in 2008 she didn't believe it at first.

We had de-industrialisation ,sale of Govt banks,power stations,over regualation to tie business in knots.It is never ending.

All the evidence is there but many like Pericles and WMtrevor refuse to acknowledge it.Cognitive dissonance?

Arjay,

"...yet developing countries can please themselves."

If India is an example, then you should be aware that Western multi-nationals have gone gang-busters there - because of lax environmental standards - because the World Bank, the IMF and the WTO tie development loans to structural adjustments, and peasants have been encouraged to go into debt, to degrade soils and deplete groundwater.

It's not the Greenies and the Lefties encouraging that.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/india_water.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102944731

And as for China...well....

http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/amazing-pictures-pollution-in-china/

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=80152

The Greenies and the Lefties didn't promote that either. All the examples above are what happens when countries "don't" apply environmental controls.

WmTrevor à la ”Woof! Woof! look at this old bone I’ve dug up”(wagging his tail anticipating a pat on the head) offers : <<his is how the 'execution' of Agenda 21 is implemented in Australia…In other words… be afraid, be very afraid>>

No. What you have found Trevor is the publicity blurb.
In the end it does not even require an Agenda 21.

All that is required is a continuation of the mentality that says all the woes of the world are due to AGW .And every time anyone anywhere experiences a flood, fire, famine or a bout of diarrhoea we (the developed world) are responsible and should pay all their bills –and more --"much, much more". And right now at the latest Potlash in Doha they (the underdeveloped world aided and egged on by Poirot's "Greenies and lefties") are pushing to establish a mega reparation fund to do just that.

And as for Poirot:

To understand where she and her "Greenies and Lefties" are coming from, and where they want to take us you need to understand a few basics:
1) In Poirot’s world view the Green Revolution was a giant conspiracy designed to impoverish the underdeveloped world. The scientific *CONSENSUS* has it that it drew a lot of people out of poverty --but Poirot who is usually big on scientific CONSENSUS (when it suits!)– sees it as a giant conspiracy.
2) In Poirot’s world view every time south Asian farmers draw too much water from the aquifer. It aint the fault of the farmers who had ten kids each and needed to push things to the limit to make ends meet.And it aint the fault of their govt --which heads one of the BRIC group of fastest developing countries and rules over a rich list that dwarfs Australia’s our middle class--and which has chosen to put its money into new aircraft carriers rather than farm aid, it’s the West whose is at fault.
3) Then we have the AGW conundrum:
If Oz has a factory producing green house gases it is BAD
If Oz implements tough carbon laws/taxes and the factory moves off shore to China where laws are not so stringent we are still BAD –‘cause we made them do it
And don’t even think about us boycotting polluting nations because Poirot and her "Greenies and Lefties" other pet theory is that we killed or maimed thousands of Iraq children with such sanctions –so that is also BAD.

We can't win –‘cause we're NOT meant to!

SPQR,

You're a naughty boy for constructing your strawmen so blatantly.

I am not accusing multi-nationals of "impoverishing" the underdeveloped world. I'm saying that their mandate was to extract as much profit as they could from purveying their wares. I'm also saying that organisations like the World Bank, the IMF and the WTO are doormen for Multi-nationals who first make arrangements with third world governments which take full advantage of lax environmental laws. For instance, after farmers have gone into massive debt to buy fertilizer, seed and pumps, the Indian government provided free electricity so that the pumps could run 24/7...all very well you say, except this practice leads to water depletion, and loss of topsoil and nutrient (of course the farmers only have to trot off and purchase more nutrient from the multi-national to fix that :)Apart from massive soil degradation and groundwater depletion there have been over 200,000 farmer suicides from debt in India.
The bottom line is that this style of farming is "unsustainable".

We don't have to move factories to China to be partially responsible for China's pollution. Look around your house and try to find something "not" made in China.

Btw, there was a factory producing greenhouse gases only the other week in eastern China It just so happened that it caught fire on the worst day for smog in that province - and no-one noticed it was burning for hours because the air quality was that BAD

Killing and maiming thousands in Iraq (whether by sanctions or bombs) was BAD.

Poirot,
<<You're a naughty boy for constructing your strawmen so blatantly>>.
Thems aint strawman –besides it should be strawPERSONS! --thems are unpalatable facts.

<< The bottom line is that this style of farming is "unsustainable">>
NO. The bottom line is that with fewer farmers it might well be sustainable.
Just as with Egypt. Ancient Egypt with a population of up to 3-5 million was a immensely wealthy – the breadbasket of the Mediterranean, but with todays population of 82.5 million it’s a basket case.

One of the downsides of the Green Revolution is that it oversaw a huge increase in population which ate up many of the gains.

<<We don't have to move factories to China to be partially responsible for China's pollution. Look around your house and try to find something "not" made in China>>
At the behest of your Greeny and Lefty mates we’ve exempted China from Kyoto (remember?) so we can’t do much on that front!
And we can’t boycott them either, on account of what (you say) happen to Iraq when we boycotted it!

So I guess it's back to your favourite solution –world govt and a redistribution of wealth, ay?
And before you agree -- please bear in mind an affirmative answer will mean sharing your tomato patch with 600 Bangladeshi farmers!

Poirot - “We don't have to move factories to China to be partially responsible for China's pollution. Look around your house
and try to find something "not" made in China.”

This cheap labour in China is a direct result of their horrendous overpopulation which they have
now managed to stabilise, but it is still horrendous. It is in fact the ridiculous overpopulation, lack
Of free contraception mandated by governments of these countries that allows capitalism to
Expand and grow. Note that Western Nations themselves have culled their populations and this
would have put a brake and a limit on consumption of goods
but the overpopulated countries are providing our billionaires and government with huge overflows of people coming here and that
allows Capitalism to thrive. If you want to stop Capitalism and bring about conservation then Stop feeding the beast.

And what is it that feeds the beast?

Consumers, billions in India,China The Middle East etc. By sheer weight of numbers these people drive billions more cars
and consume billions of tonnes more of everything plus keep spreading over the land until there is standing room only
for a lot of animal species including the elephant and the tiger.

Cull big populations and you’ll fix most conservation problems and Capitalism(consumerism)
Capitalism is like prostitution there would be no prostitution if there were no customers.

What fascinating imagery, CHERFUL.

>>Capitalism is like prostitution there would be no prostitution if there were no customers<<

The clients of prostitution have a number of alternative sources from which to draw supply. I am having some difficulty in envisioning where the users of capitalism might turn, in order to withdraw their custom. (I have already rejected three possible scenarios on the basis that they are all somewhat distasteful.)

Of course, if the desire itself (for money, for sex) disappears or is withdrawn, then there will be no need for either capitalism or prostitution. However, one has to feel that life in either state might be somewhat less than satisfying.

So perhaps you could tell us exactly what we should do, in order to starve the beast-that-is-capitalism?

And this is equally disturbing:

>>Cull big populations and you’ll fix most conservation problems and Capitalism(consumerism)<<

It has been tried before, of course. Pol Pot had a go quite recently, as I recall. Oddly, most people regard such draconian measures as being a touch, how shall we say... um, extreme?

On balance, I'll stick with capitalism until a better option offers itself, if that's ok with you..

Arjay –
I agree with what you say.
The banks who hold the entire wealth of a country in their hands should never be privatised.

As to Conservation and global warming, it is used as a political agenda, because the parties who epouse it
so much only ever blame America and the Capitalists, they never look at what is really driving it,
which is their own overwhelming populations. They have billions of people to feed and clothe and shelter
and provide hospital care for. They then turn around and blame us for their folly in not providing contraception
for their women and men.

Overpopulation is still the biggest and most pressing threat
to mankind and the planet in terms of food,water,war,famine and disease from the aforementioned three.
.

Cherful,

The fact that car ownership is on the rise in places like China is seen as one spect of "raising them out of poverty"...as if the Western paradigm is possible in places like China without horrendous pollution.

Like India, the spoils are only possible for a small percentage of the population. India has vast populations who have been driven off the land and now camp in shanty towns on the outskirts of cities.

My main thrust is that capitalism doesn't abide "moderation". It is voracious. If it was possible to include the middle ground, so that people could enjoy a reasonable standard of living without the waste, I'd be less critical.

Pericles >>Cull big populations and you’ll fix most conservation problems and Capitalism(consumerism)<<

I am talking about the contraceptive means of bringing down big populations, and the providing
Of women’s Family Medical Centres near every town and village on the planet. It should have
Been done decades ago and still we have these ridiculous male religious leaders interfering in
Peoples bedrooms with their self-interested agenda of providing big power bases of people for their
Churches and Mosques. Follow the money trails from these big religious populations and it will lead straight
to The Mullahs and priests. They literally survive and indeed thrive on more bums on
Seats in their churches. Churches are run like a business the same as Capitalism actually.

As I pointed out to Arjay, because the earth is overpopulated with too many people for too few
resources, you are seeing, and will see, the culling of populations by means of war and ethnic cleansing.
It is happening all around the world as we speak. As an example close to home, only the Australian troops and
Foreign aid in the billions to Indonesia has stopped the culling of the Timorese by the Indonesians.

That war in Syria where the last count I heard was 60,000 dead is all about control of the land and resources,
because the rebel army had marched in the streets many times before to protest at
Their living conditions to the ruling elites. Another example of war over control of resources(economics)

Overpopulation brings these civil wars and overseas wars to boiling point and also speeds up the pollution of the earth
and it's waterways, that is the point I was I was attempting to convey to balance the argument that always seeks to blame only America and the
West and ignores the even bigger elephant in the room.

Poirot- I agree with you about the excesses of extreme Capitalism, extreme communism also,
dictators,kings, and dynasties(the Arab Sheiks). None of those forms of rule have ever worked in such a way
as to not have an extremely well off lot at the top and masses of struggling people below them.

It seems human nature cannot be taken out of the equation when it comes to the feathering of ones own nest.

The Chinese and Indians also the Mexicans can’t be forced to buy cars. They want to buy them
Because they love them, just like we do in the West. Thus they feed the Capitalists around the world
and there are plenty of Chinese Capitalists as well, very rich ones. The Saudi Arabian Sheiks
own American banks while many Arabs live in poverty. Osama Bin Laden was one of the Saudi
princes raised in the lap of bountiful capitalism. He was never really poor or hungry in his life and
yet he denounced American greed.

Cherful in terms of food the world is not over populated.The world produces 4 billion tonnes of food and 2 billion is wasted.For every tonne of humans there is 16,000 tonnes of biomass on this planet.

They have exaggerated the pop crisis to bring in their New World Order of Global Governance with no democracy so the few can please themselves.If your alarm bells are not ringing,then you are brain dead.