True, it is easier to take US numbers and make assumptions about Australia.

I read that Chicago doesn't have a gun problem it has a father problem. Some deaths are State approved homicide by police in law enforcement, others suicides, but the overwhelming majority of gun crime is young black on young black. Drug and gang related.

Male rape in US gaols,

13% involved white inmates raping white inmates
29% involved black inmates raping black inmates
56% involved black inmates raping white inmates

Those who commit rape are serious offenders (eg assault, armed robbery) and members of gangs. There would be a lot of under-reporting.

The problem with rape 'statistics' being quoted in Australia is that the definition used can vary enormously according to the purpose of the writer.

With the growing trend in Australia for ethnic gangs to dominate prison populations -much in the same way as non bike riding ethnic criminal gangs have taken over the outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMGs)and doubtless many of the same serious offenders- it will be interesting to see if the incidence of prison rapes rises accordingly.

There is a fine line between a woman flirting and then calling rape.

The Mike Tyson case is a prime example, whereby a woman went to his apartment, quite possibly lead him on, then decided it was not for her.

Now while I do not condone rape in any shape or form, some victims must share some of the blame for allowing themselves to be in that predicament in the first place.

You then have the 14 year olds, posing as 18, who all of a sudden cry rape if daddy finds out.

So it can be a shared crime at times with the vicim often contributing to the crime in the first place.

JAY of MELBOURNE...

Did I understand you correctly, where you claim the incidence of rape in prison is rare ? And consensual homosexual activity is uncommon ?

I don't know to what particular State and facility you're referring too, but at the old State Penitentiary Long Bay, they had an entire wing (No 7) dedicated to what's used to be referred to as 'non associates'.

During the days of the AIDS crisis, homosexual activity in 'boob' was both rampant and difficult to control. Further, so bad was the transmission of STD's, the administration wanted condoms issued to every crim, but it's my understanding the Warder's Union wouldn't countenance their members issuing condoms to inmates !

O sung,
Yeah that was back then I'm talking about present day, I know what the old gaols and boys homes were like, I had an uncle in and out of the system. Pentridge had a separate wing for behaviour management too but these days in Victoria the prisoners are nearly all in individual rooms, be that in high security units or in the medium and low security housing. One study I read, which I can probably find again documented, I think 60 allegations of sexual misconduct nation wide, again as far as I can recall it was recent information, maybe from 2006.
There are ample documentaries available online detailing the conditions in American prisons, one notable and recent one was Louis Theroux's look at Miami city jail, from what I understand their system is vastly different to ours and in a word, judging from the documentary their prisons really are hell holes.

A very longtime ago, on a forum now gone,the subject of Pedophilia came up.
It was a long thread.
One contributor constantly spoke in favor of such acts.
Young uni students made up half the numbers.
After a time, the pro poster was unmasked, as a member of a group holding views and practices we find abhorrent.
Think it is worth repeating .
O SUNG WO, would know of cases that saw the victim, or non victim, charge based on events that never happened, lie.
Such cases are not rape.
We should not say they are, and most of us are not.
But in saying acts of rape happened because the victim did some thing silly or wrong?
We could, those old enough, and in passing, brutal enough, make a case that the Wanda Beach rape and murders,was bought about by the victims, we as that dirt bag, sorry truth, did in blaming Australian girls, for the mass rapes.
Debate all you wish.
But what side would you take if your sister or daughter was the victim?

JAY of MELBOURNE...

I'm not aware of what happens in Melbourne. Though, I would suspect, if it looks like a gaol, sounds like a gaol and stinks like a gaol, it IS a gaol, a gaol in any part of the world !

I was a detective sergeant in NSW. I'd have little truck with anything that Mr Louis Theroux would say on any topic ! Personally, I find the man an intrusive, offensive and derisive, sensationalist styled, tabloid journalist. And if he were to stick his irritating, bespectacled head into my door, I would perhaps think I'd be more than a little cross with the gentleman !

Further, it would appear prima facie, that I'm unable to pursuade you with anything further, that I might offer, therefore it would be incumbant upon me to respectfully excuse myself. And in so doing, quietly withdraw from any further discussion with you. Thus, defer to your superior level of knowledge on this subject.

Accordingly, thank your for your contributions.