Hi there ONTHEBEACH...

As I said in my last thread; By data adduced from 'empirical' evidence. When I've spoken with victims, witnesses, and later family friends of the victim. Functions of the 'Case Officer'.

Your second point; You claim, Counsel for the Defence in this country; would never assert the victim was (in anyway) responsible for her attack ?

I would suggest you spend a bit of time in the Central Criminal Court my friend. Where the usual ploy of Defence Counsel will be to attempt to (firstly) discredit the evidence of the victim. Then attempt to assign significant blame; by dint of her behaviour, or her prior reputation, even her flirtatious nature or actions, prior to the alleged crime being commited.

That's why so many women victims find the entire Criminal Court process so traumatic, distressing and emotionally damaging.

Further, Indian Common law, is very similar to our own hitherto Common law. Today as here, to my knowledge, India has now, Codified most of their (indictable) criminal legislation.

Poirot>> It's a will to power without restraint.<<

This characteristic is shared in the makeup of a pedophile as well, and it is particularly applicable to these two crimes.

A will to power without restraint in other crimes is a precarious vocation. The restraint is the possibility that you may be physically stopped or terminally stopped. The rape and pedophilia victims are soft targets, and that is what draws a particular disgust for me, the power aspect.

If women had the muscular mass of men, but better arranged, would as many rejections turn into consummations?

What of the psychological aspect to a rapist’s makeup, as said here it is about power first and physical satisfaction almost as an after dinner mint.

Has anyone seen Ferrets mating.....now that’s rape, the female would fight to the death except she is overwhelmed.

Serial rapists I imagine carry the same psychosis that the male Ferret carries because the Ferret Fems are not compliant, and that is to overwhelm.

It is about power, but it is an outcome without risk. There is little kudos for rapist in max security from the anti social criminal warriors because of that fact I would assume. Funny, someone told me once that you get kudos if you are a bank robber and rapist, but the "just" a rapist is bottom of the sociopath brotherhood along with child molesters.

OSW, you are in the business, is that the way the crims see it?

o sung wu

This Indian lawyer's defence is newsworthy around the world precisely because it is seen as outrageous. Indian culture and traditions, and its development, are vastly different to Australia's. For example, in 2011, 300,000 of the world's 990,000 TB deaths were in India. Another example, caste-based discrimination is now unlawful in India but remains prevalent and can occur in front of police.

No-one has questioned the Indian lawyer's assertion that the woman victim's male partner is also responsible for the rape because he didn't act to prevent the offenders. The lawyer argues that his clients are blameless because he did not prevent them from committing a crime.

We in Australia are suffering culture shock on this one. We are struggling to understand the influence of the complicated mish-mash of traditions and cultures behind it.

What is not so easy to understand is why in a developed country like Australia there are always apologists who defend, excuse and diminish the sometimes vicious crimes of offenders whose lawyers trot out the multiculturalism defence - successfully too! You might Google contentious Court decisions on rapes by indigenous offenders in Australia. Here is a start, from Qld,

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rape-case-attacks-blasted/2007/12/12/1197135547552.html

I am not commenting either way on the sentences. But if there is an area of law enforcement where the is diminished responsibility for rape and other serious crime it has to do with multicultural policy.

Hi there INDIVIDUAL...

Your interesting comparison to murder, provokes memories. Whereas, a victim of a violent Rape lives constantly with those awful events for the rest of her life.

Years ago when I was quite junior in the job I was directed to provide some minor assistance for senior investigators of one of the most heinous murder/rapes in Australian Criminal History. The rape and murder of Mrs. Virginia Morse, near the small town of Moree, NSW.

Specifics are not necessary, suffice to say her two killers are still guests of the NSW Prison system. My point being, without knowing the precise state of mind if Mrs Morse had survived, in my opinion, and in the opinion of all the senior detectives there, her being deceased, apparently, was considered a real blessing ? So depraved, and brutal was the violence occasioned upon this unfortunate woman, I do wonder if her ultimate death was more benevolent perhaps, than had she actually survived ?

Please don't for a moment perceive me as the ultimate arbiter of life or death ? Far from it. It's just, some crimes 'MUST' leave the unfortunate victim so emotionally damaged, death would've been a more preferable and much kinder outcome, than a life of constant terror (real or imaginary), fear and self-recrimination.

An absorbing thread, thanks INDIVIDUAL.

'evening to you SONOFGLOIN...

Yeah, like you the crime does push ALL my angry buttons, and your word 'disgust' seems adequate to me.

And you're absolutely spot on with this 'power' thing. It takes a real hero to outrage a helpless women, usually because most offenders feel substantially inadequate whenever they have a need to interact with women in the normal course of daily activity.

I believe you're correct INDIVIDUAL, many of these 'violent' rapist though exuding an awful POWER over a petrified women, often need 'protection' themselves, once they've been committed to the 'go slow' for a few years !

In my lifetime, the offence of Rape, was once determined to be a 'capital' Crime. Thus some years ago, an offender may well be hanged for a particularly brutal offence.