Lexi I'm quite capable of keeping it zipped and do so unless there is clear mutual consent as is the case with most men. Thats not the issue, the issue is that there are a small proportion of people who won't do so.

Those with a gender point to score may want to focus on what should be, those who would actually like to see women safer are a lot more interested in what is and how to avoid the worst of it.

Maybe you mean well, but that last post looked like spin with no real interest in how to make it better.

R0bert

Dear RObert,

We all fully realise that not all males rape.
What we are talking about are the males that do.
And their defense lawyers who typically try to shift the
burden of guilt from the accused to the victim.
A change in this way of thinking would "make things
better."

Utilizing the myth that women somehow enjoy being
raped and that they consciously or subconsciously
encouraged the assault is the problem.

What needs to be addressed here is the way in which
women are still perceived by many men as "sex objects."
And it is this aspect of the act and its aftermath
that needs to be fully understood in terms of overall
patterns of sexual interaction in the society.

Rape is an extreme outcome of culturally approved
activities in which one segment of society dominates
another, socially and sexually. It is usually not an
act of sudden impulse, for the majority of these
crimes are planned in advance, with the rapist -
whether a stranger or an acquaintance carefully
selecting a time, place, and victim for the attack.

Nor is rape the result of any lack of alternative
sexual outlets. Many rapists are married, many have
sexual partners, and most could easily afford a
prostitute. In fact as stated earlier - lust seems
to have remarkably little to do with rape. A high
proportion of rapists are completely impotent, and
many more only become sexually aroused only when they
have sufficiently terrified and debased their victim
through verbal and physical abuse.

Rape, like any demonstration of violence, is a brutish, uncivilised and unsocialised action.

It's a will to power without restraint.

Whether or not a woman is "unwise' in her choices, it will always be the rapist who "chooses" to rape.

Lexi my sweet, I'm afraid that post is in out of date language.

The morals you & I & many here were raised with, in very many instances, just do not apply with todays youngsters.

You only have to watch a bit of TV to realise that many ladies these days, go out on Friday & Saturday nights to get laid.

They dress for it, go to the right venues to find it, & indulge in conduct designed to bring young blokes running, with their tongue hanging out.

I agree this doesn't mean they deserve to be raped. However when they have a young bloke on what he believes is a promise, & then go home with him, she is building an expectation.

I'm inclined to believe many date rapes occur only after she sobers up a bit, & actually realises she would never go home with this bloke if sober.

Life is so different today. I mentioned to my son, a favoured little spot, near where he's living, where some of us used to go for a romantic moonlight swim.

When he looked like he didn't understand why we would want to do that, I realised that his girlfriend moved in with him with in a month of their meeting. Where we courted for months or years, things are a bit more direct today.

I know I can not understand the attraction of todays attitudes, or behaviours. However I can see that it leads to problems of this nature between acquaintances.

Just wondering if there would be more men raped in gaols than women raped in civvie street. Or for that matter if there are more women raped and sexually abused in women's prisons than civvy street.

What does say about the comments here that seem to be informed by feminism? Maybe there is a hint of researcher's error, where evidence is found to support the researchers' own bias.

Returning to the OP, very few might subscribe to the view that any victim has contributory fault. However there is a lot we can all do withing reason to reduce the likelihood that we might become the victim of crime.

Even so, some laws do blame the victim for crimes committed against them. The Howard inspired gun laws for example make the hapless licensed owner responsible for burglary committed against him/her.

That is only an example, but it should do to question here whether respondents are really concerned about ethics and the legal principle.

onthebeach, at risk of nameing, for my views, your post is repelling to me.
To use feminism as a bat to flog the thread, by a male ex police officer?
OUTSTANDING, NOT!
Put all the different class of rape, a hundred at least, in separate bins.
But each and every one is wrong.
I will not except that lies or poor behavior should lessen the crime.
As I said before some attract the wrong blokes, but we are not going to be men until we know rape is rape.
Sex is available without using such acts.