Hasbeen, belly just loves to hate me I think. But I think you might have him here.

It's funny how he so often accuses me of not understanding, then goes off at me without actually reading my post. But hey, that's belly, next thing you know he will be running off.

The bottom line is in most cases people of all ages get rewarded for effort, but not in this case for some reason.

It's a funny world.

o sung wu, I'm kind of hoping we don't spend to much time on side issues such as "ïr-regular boat arrivals". Likewise I'm not trying to address the way we deal with welfare for those with serious disabilities, a very different issue to the difference between those who have made different lifestyle choices and which behaviours our system rewards.

individual, I have a lot of sympathy for the flat rate tax idea provided the extremes could be dealt with in a sane manner.

I'm more in favour of a system that has some account for the effort/hours involved in making the money in the first place which our current system ignores completely. You work your butt off doing long hours because you need the money and the tax system takes more from you, you don't need the money as much and work less and your tax responsibilities are reduced.

R0bert

individual - Quote "We have expressed our feelings about that many, many times here so there's no need to go into every pedantic little detail."

To me this is wrong because when people become complacent and take things for granted, in this instance by assuming everyone knows about it. Then politicians have won and will assume people don't care about that as an issue.

I believe the issue with the current boat people from Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan are going to end up being the biggest threat to Australia as we know it now and the future for our children than anything else.

Philip S,
point taken. The dilemma re the boat people is that there are so many thick Australians who hypnotised themselves into believing that the more boat people we let in the bigger the pool of future tax payers to look after the thick-ones pension. Most of the ones I spoke with I sorry to say are Labor supporters.
My line manager is like that & he manages our outfit accordingly i.e. running it into the ground sanctioned by high ranking bureaucrats. He'll be gone in three years on his $65,000 pension but the communities will have to battle their way out of the mess he is creating.

I could, without effort take very serious offense with that Rechtub, and too with Hasbeens contribution.
Fact is I do not dislike either of you.
I have gardens in common with Hasbeen, in fact was going send him a package of day lillys, as his garden suffered, mine however has too.
Rechtub and I are football fans and not enemy's.
I as if truth matters, like my opponents views of me, have little regard for the extremes they post.
No RObert no carry over, that would be gutless.
My thoughts in this area are those in that post under attack.
Labor gave too much.
Liberals takes too much.
SOME bludge on Social Security.
To give to the rich is not SS it is purely silly.
The bloke peeing it up against the wall? bitter and not yet proved!
SOME, WOMEN for a start, never earn enough to save, a silly attempt to brand every poor person by targeting the unfortunate.
WELFARE lets talk of it honestly, it is our money paid in taxes but much more comes from business than us tax that is.
I rebut Rechtubs charges with his words.
CONSTANTLY through out the mans post history flows a bile against the poor.
Requests for food stamps to stop wasting the dole
Charges wages are too high, superannuation payments too high
Back packers are thieving by working their way around our country.
Put along side that, and Hasbeen charges, we now see both crying that I INSIST! we pay only those who NEED IT, not as they want the wealthy, Individual drops in with the thought? every one should get the pension.
REALITY gents, we can not go on forever wasting then starving, that is criminal.
Rechtub first consider do I have the right to do as you do?

Say Belly is wrong? but not ask you to reconsider your bitter bias against the poor.

Harsh words from me in that post.
But not aimed at hurting.
Not aimed at backing down either.
I after all, with pride am an ALP person.
A Social Democrat, WANT desperately, my party, and all such party's,to understand if we do not re construct welfare our opponents will.
That true reform can give more to the needy by taking from the greedy.
I see Americas failure, to provide for its poor, even its returned service men.
And fear the same here.
Why take on rechtub and Hasbeen Individual too?
Is open debate only for some.
If views so very much in my view wrong, can be posted MUST I NOT rebut them?
No harm meant but I with out fear will confront any call to reverse welfare, take from the poor and give to the rich.
Some out there may have the best reform thoughts we ever heard, but will not confront the view if you disagree with me it is because you hate me!
Rechtub re think that bloke.