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Contribution Testing

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Again I rebut the words not the author.
579 you have been told! by rechtub who wants to do the opersite, take from the poor to give to the rich.
Find a dictionary, look up the words welfare.
Show me how we benefit the poor by giving every one welfare.
Look only at the last butcher shop you owned rechtub.
Could you pre tax afford to double running costs?
What would paying every one a pension do to the welfare bill?
My taxs fund schools,I have no kids in school should I rebel?
Why should my tax feed your kid?
Because that is how community is all about, welfare is for the needy not the greedy.
In self interest our country funds some business tax reduction, farmers get help in drought and flood fires ,to continue because we need them to.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 21 January 2013 7:22:11 AM
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individual,
Get a grip on reality. your failure to offer any sort of a concrete proposal for your hair brained 'National Service Boot Camp' show who's off with the fairies in cloud cuckoo land. The old 95%, there is always the dissident. If you want to give legitimacy to your argument, just add something like "95% agree with me," like your idea the 95% are in your imagination. "I discuss this with people all the time & let me assure you that 95 % are with me" Who, where, how many? If this vast majority are with you, name one major political party that supports your idea. During the last Federal election campaign whilst I was knocking on doors and holding street stalls, engaging with hundreds of voters, strangely, I found national service was almost never raised as an issue.
"talking about normal people" Naturally you are one of the "normal people" anyone who disagrees with you is seen as abnormal.
"It's only those in the public service & bureaucrats who are against it." Now we discover who are the 5%.
Then this: Why they oppose this fantastic idea: "Possibly because of self-interest but I suspect poor mentality is the major component"
Yes individual has nailed it "poor mentality" its the feeble mindedness of 5% of the population that is holding it all back.
"as my line manager is also an engineer I fully understand that you will never understand." Shows contempt for the educated.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 21 January 2013 9:16:13 AM
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Belly, your very argument is why so many of the rich, minimize their taxes.

Of cause legally minimizing them comes at great cost, by way of very expensive structures and managing of same, whereas, if many of the rich knew they would get a reasonable portion of their taxes back in retirement, I have no doubt many would pay the tax and avoid those complex and expensive structures.

And of cause, the structures I speak of, which I have myself, although not used at present, require constant updating because eventually governments find ways to close loop holes in the tax system.

Now as for welfare being unaffordable for all, that's the fault of governments, not high income earners, as they (income earners) only paid the taxes, whereas governments managed them and wasted them, in fact, they continue to waste them to a point whereby not only don't the rich receive support, but every day essential services are also under threat of collapse, all due to government waste and missmanagement of taxes.

They even introduced compulsory super as their continued waste was obviously leading to a point whereby governments knew they could not support most retirees.

Now of cause a real transaction tax would address many of these issues, but they simply won't go there.
Posted by rehctub, Monday, 21 January 2013 11:26:43 AM
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Butch Your idea of welfare is incredible. Of course the rich minimize their tax, and leave it to the small players to pay the tax for them.
Every body knows that, so they have got no hope of getting a pension, tax cheats and fraudster's have no hope.
You need to have a good think at where you are going wrong.
The sort of people that you are talking about need no help, So keep your robin hood ideas to yourself.
Posted by 579, Monday, 21 January 2013 12:07:54 PM
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Paul1405,
you really haven't a clue about community building, have you ! " Shows contempt for the educated. You got that right in the sense that you actually state educated but unfortunately I'm pretty sure you're attempting to imply that the educated are somehow part of the sensible. Do you realise how much damage has been & is being done as we speak by so-called engineers ? You sound so much like my line manager that I wouldn't be at all surprised if you are him. My contempt stems from long=term personal experience & the associated frustration that inevitably links with engineers when dealing with them. There were engineers who designed magnificent structures many of which have lasted way beyond their intended design. My experience with engineers over the past 40 years is disheartening to say the least especially the consulting engineers contracted by government bureaucrats at our expense. The aircraft industry, the marine industry, in fact many modern industries obviously engage real engineers who don't require to keep returning to the bureaucrats for more money to "upgrade" which in actual fact is always a mere fixing the mistakes made in the first place with our money.
If contribution testing were seriously applied to engineering consultants you'd find there is no contribution to speak of. No value for money whatsoever !
Posted by individual, Monday, 21 January 2013 7:15:03 PM
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individual, your latent hostility towards your line manager (boss) may be clouding your judgement. Some time ago you referred to your line manager in a post so I can only assume this person has been in the position for some time, from that I conclude he/she is performing to the satisfaction of their superiors. I note from your post you are a 40 year minimum, veteran of employment, not knowing you or your manager I again assume you may be suffering from "old man syndrome" where you find it difficult to take instruction from a younger person, seeing them as a wet behind the ears young pup, lacking your life experience, not uncommon in the work force. You have a degree of paranoia seeing me as your line manager, do you often see your line manager in others you do not like or disagree with? This could be an unhealthy fixation on your part. Some form of mediation/intervention between you and your manager may help to overcome the problem, its good to get it off your chest, so to speak,
When referring to educated persons with qualifications (Engineers) you say "long=term personal experience & the associated frustration". This associated frustration may be your desire to vent personal anger at missed past opportunities, failing to realise your full potential in life through your own short comings. This could also relate to your wish to "punish" younger persons through your national service idea, although you would see this as a wholesome endeavor and not a penalty. Are you an ex nasho, Vietnam maybe?
This is not meant as a criticism but as an observation, we all need help in life from time to time. I too are a over 40 year veteran of the work force and speak with some of life's experience.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 7:45:30 AM
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