Jayb,

"Dissenters? Dissenters? Up until now, those who didn't support this vile religion were the dissenters. Suddenly you are making out like you & your kind are the dissenters?."BS""

Well now I do think you're a silly moo - puffing out your chest and beating it, for your own self-aggrandisement.

I quote "you":

"Well, Belly, Loudmouth, Yabby, etc. It looks like we have shoved the truth about this lot down the dissenter's necks..."

[Oh yes...very tough, very manly - and so unlike the sort of thing you're criticizing. I note you made sure you gathered the clan together so you'd have an audience, Lol!....and apparently we're the dissenters!!)

and:

"Come on csteel & apologists, etc, why aren't you defending your friends now? Cat got your tongue."

{Brilliant, Jayb, not only are you triumphal, you're also provocative as well. (I'll bet you drive a big bright-red V8 : )]

And what sort of a comment is that, when I mentioned my eleven year-old had the nous to see a similarity between Martin Luther King's demise and the attempt on this girl's life. I'm proud of him for having the maturity to see that. It hadn't occurred to me before he mentioned it.

I'm not offended by you, Jayb. You display an attitude that will always inflame debate. You seek difference while wise people seek common ground.

Off you go, I'm sure you can rustle up another audience to regale them with stories about how you shoved whatever down whomever's necks.

poirot: You seek difference while wise people seek common ground.

And what, dear lady, is the common ground. Peace? Respect for your fellow man? No, not there. Equality for women? Democracy? No, not there either. How about going to the beach in a bikini? How about a woman going home alone without a male relative? No, Not yet. Want to have a glass of wine with your friends & B.B.Q. & a beer in the back yard? No, nothing yet. What about if you don't go to church on your churches day. No, no beating & thrown in jail or murdered.

Oh. I know, we've both got a body, two arms, two legs & a head. Finally something in common.

& yes, rally the troops around, of course. I hope you have come to realize just what you & you ilk are fervently supporting in the name of Political Correctness, Rose coloured glasses & Sugar Plum Fairies dancing in the summer moonlight

We've been over that, Jayb.

I've already stated that I don't support fundamentalist religion.

My last post was about you and your grandstanding - coz ya just found it a bit too difficult to resist taking advantage of the tragedy in Pakistan to rub some salt in.

My other point was you doing a little dance because I went with "your" label of calling us dissenters - forgot about that, eh?

Like I said, Yabby got it right a few posts back.

I am in two minds we should consider have we done this subject to death, for the present?
It will return time and again, but if we look back are all posts of worth?
We yes I think so, how do we know how people think unless they are free to tell us.
I saw bigotry, on both sides, and some things that we dare not consider put up to FIX? the problems.
They say, with good reason men are from one planet women another.
Seems we think differently.
And maybe BOTH SIDES need to execpt the others right to think as they wish.
But Islam, not me, needs to control its own.
Needs to know they came here for a better life, not as Rulers
And that our freedom to be us is at least as important as the non-existant God, every one of them, they worship.
No real God , no real religion, should demand we get on our knees to a phantom, equality of humanity is strangled by false Gods.

Poirot,

Common grounds ? Do you mean going half-way ?

Perhaps you could give us some examples ? Half-behead someone for not believing, or converting ? Half-stone some poor girl who's been raped ? Give girls half as much schooling as boys ? Keep women half-in the home for life ?

Sixth-pillar Islam is evangelical, with arms. It does not believe in 'common ground' - as the believers see it, 'common ground' is blasphemous, a perversion of the will of Allah. By definition, one must be 100 % true to Islam, to submission to the will of Allah. 100 %. A sort of Stalinism of the Desert.

Perhaps what you might have in mind is tekkiah - the Islamic 'principle' that one can lie and dissemble, for the cause.

But you may know better ? You may have examples of 'common ground' ?

Yes, the world is half-full of useful idiots.

Cheers,

Joe

:)

You do talk some rubbish at times, Loudmouth.

But the main reason I'm posting is to take this thread up to 600 posts (which is far more pertinent than replying to the garbage in your previous post)

Cheers : )