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NDIS What's the nuts and bolts?

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I may be starting late, but can anybody explain in simple terms just what the NDIS entails?

I tried googling but the items that come up are all political and i cannot find anything that explains it.

I am awestruck that any scheme could cost $8 billion a year to run, so what do we get for the money?

Why cannot the government simp[ly say this is what we propose to do a,b,c,d and this is what it will cost and these are the benefits.

Instead they seem to think we should know the details or take them on trust.
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 2 August 2012 10:23:29 AM
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Banjo thank you for the thread.
I can understand you not knowing in full what it is about.
But no one does yet.
We know even Abbott the Rabbit agrees with it, and I hope most will.
Currently some of these human beings spend whole life, regardless of age, in old folks homes.
And always carers pay to just look after them.
Some lost soles will say it is Socialism, well if that charge is true so be it.
Unlike America, home of the fear campaign against actually helping any one in need, we do much that I hope one day, every country would do.
Both party support should stop the fear campaign in its tracks, but watch this space.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 2 August 2012 11:35:23 AM
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Dear Banjo,

The following link should clarify things for you:

http://www.themonthly.com.au/case-national-disability-insurance-scheme-two-nations-anne-manne-3636
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 2 August 2012 1:18:09 PM
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Lexi,
Thank you for the article, it is the most information I have seen about the scheme. Below is the best two paragraphs giving info,

Quote "In the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS), a big idea is just what we have. Every bit as ambitious and far-reaching a societal shift as Medicare and compulsory superannuation, it will cover some 360,000 people with a profound or severe disability. (A smaller, complementary National Injury Insurance Scheme will cover people who incur a catastrophic injury.) The NDIS will double existing funding, from around $6 billion to $12 billion. Importantly, it will scrap the old welfare model and install a new one of lifetime social insurance, whereby all taxpayers contribute. It will shift disability provision from the states to a single national body funded by the Commonwealth from general revenue.

Funding will be given directly to individuals with a disability, based on reasonable and necessary need, giving them crucial autonomy. They can cash out and administer their own care package, or use brokers provided by the system to organise one. While it may take time, ultimately service providers will compete for the disability dollar, giving choice, improving outcomes and stimulating innovation"

I do not see any aspect of 'Insurance' in the proposal, whilst I can see much 'Assurance' akin to our aged care scheme.

So I await further details, like will there be Residential Care and Community Support Care? Obviously there are varying degrees and types of dissability. Will it be a handout of funds and the recipiants making their own arrangements.

Belly,
No one knows? How then can they come up with a figure of $8 billion per year for 360,000 recipants. I am constantly ammazed that they put these enormous figures out.

Many other questions remain, like Does not our third party car insurance cover and pay for personal injury? Do not sports associations have insurance for injury to participants? Workers compensation is another instance whereby many becoming disabled would receive assistance. I know i pay premimum for public liability insurance. Such things would cover many with disabilities
Posted by Banjo, Thursday, 2 August 2012 9:45:00 PM
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Banjo,

There is a need for an NDIS of some form, as the amount of support you get is random, and dependent on how you got your injury. The $8bn p.a. is in addition to the roughly $6bn already spent by the states, and could increase to a total of $18bn p.a.

The figures are enormous, and the fighting has already started. This looks like adding roughly $1000 p.a. more cost to each household, and is likely to be as popular as a pork chop in Palestine.

I personally see the funding model being substantially less generous than presently budgeted, but still better than what we have.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 3 August 2012 5:33:41 AM
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Banjo insurance increasingly is not covering the whole need.
I understand you fear of the figures but in truth we waste much more, every year under any form of government.
I fear theme me thinking of modern Australia.
And,as you know from my post history fear too the waste in Social Welfare, but not this scheme.
I am proud of it.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 3 August 2012 5:39:01 AM
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