I may be starting late, but can anybody explain in simple terms just what the NDIS entails?

I tried googling but the items that come up are all political and i cannot find anything that explains it.

I am awestruck that any scheme could cost $8 billion a year to run, so what do we get for the money?

Why cannot the government simp[ly say this is what we propose to do a,b,c,d and this is what it will cost and these are the benefits.

Instead they seem to think we should know the details or take them on trust.

Banjo thank you for the thread.
I can understand you not knowing in full what it is about.
But no one does yet.
We know even Abbott the Rabbit agrees with it, and I hope most will.
Currently some of these human beings spend whole life, regardless of age, in old folks homes.
And always carers pay to just look after them.
Some lost soles will say it is Socialism, well if that charge is true so be it.
Unlike America, home of the fear campaign against actually helping any one in need, we do much that I hope one day, every country would do.
Both party support should stop the fear campaign in its tracks, but watch this space.

Dear Banjo,

The following link should clarify things for you:

http://www.themonthly.com.au/case-national-disability-insurance-scheme-two-nations-anne-manne-3636

Lexi,
Thank you for the article, it is the most information I have seen about the scheme. Below is the best two paragraphs giving info,

Quote "In the National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS), a big idea is just what we have. Every bit as ambitious and far-reaching a societal shift as Medicare and compulsory superannuation, it will cover some 360,000 people with a profound or severe disability. (A smaller, complementary National Injury Insurance Scheme will cover people who incur a catastrophic injury.) The NDIS will double existing funding, from around $6 billion to $12 billion. Importantly, it will scrap the old welfare model and install a new one of lifetime social insurance, whereby all taxpayers contribute. It will shift disability provision from the states to a single national body funded by the Commonwealth from general revenue.

Funding will be given directly to individuals with a disability, based on reasonable and necessary need, giving them crucial autonomy. They can cash out and administer their own care package, or use brokers provided by the system to organise one. While it may take time, ultimately service providers will compete for the disability dollar, giving choice, improving outcomes and stimulating innovation"

I do not see any aspect of 'Insurance' in the proposal, whilst I can see much 'Assurance' akin to our aged care scheme.

So I await further details, like will there be Residential Care and Community Support Care? Obviously there are varying degrees and types of dissability. Will it be a handout of funds and the recipiants making their own arrangements.

Belly,
No one knows? How then can they come up with a figure of $8 billion per year for 360,000 recipants. I am constantly ammazed that they put these enormous figures out.

Many other questions remain, like Does not our third party car insurance cover and pay for personal injury? Do not sports associations have insurance for injury to participants? Workers compensation is another instance whereby many becoming disabled would receive assistance. I know i pay premimum for public liability insurance. Such things would cover many with disabilities

Banjo,

There is a need for an NDIS of some form, as the amount of support you get is random, and dependent on how you got your injury. The $8bn p.a. is in addition to the roughly $6bn already spent by the states, and could increase to a total of $18bn p.a.

The figures are enormous, and the fighting has already started. This looks like adding roughly $1000 p.a. more cost to each household, and is likely to be as popular as a pork chop in Palestine.

I personally see the funding model being substantially less generous than presently budgeted, but still better than what we have.

Banjo insurance increasingly is not covering the whole need.
I understand you fear of the figures but in truth we waste much more, every year under any form of government.
I fear theme me thinking of modern Australia.
And,as you know from my post history fear too the waste in Social Welfare, but not this scheme.
I am proud of it.

SM,
I do not dispute that dissability support needs reworking.

I have emphathy for the disabled of all types and particularly for the parents/carers of a person dissabled since birth or early childhood and concerned about what happens after they eventually go.

I just would like more homework done before governments put forward proposals. I would not invest in a company just on a concept.

Belly,
Life has taugh tme to be sceptical. You often claim you are not religous, however you support AGW without solid evidence and now this NDIS, which seems little more than a concept. Apparently the government has little idea of what it will entail. You said yourself that no one knows, so how can you say you support this scheme and are proud of it. That is just faith like religion.

Given the track records of governments, especially this one, I remain sceptical about the outcome of this scheme.

From Lexi's link "Around 4.5 million Australians – or about one-fifth of the population – have a disability of some kind. Of these, 760,000 people under 65 years of age have a severe or profound disability, meaning they “always or sometimes need help with a core activity or task".

Who then has decided which 360,000 persons get more assistance and how did they come up with the figure of $8 billion a year?

Is it not how this present government got itself into striffe by not thinking through previous concepts like the home insulation, BER and others. The extreme cost over runs of the NBN is another example. Our mate Yabby calls them 'unintended consequences'. The illegal boat people is another example.

For the disabled, I hope it all works out, but I want more concrete foundations before I show support.

Dear Banjo,

I support the scheme with my whole being because I
could not even begin to imagine what obstacles the
disabled (and their families and - or carers) have to go
through. You ask some very valid qestions - and
hopefully they will get answered as things progress.
This is a good start (and about time) and I can't
imagine any decent politician not supporting a scheme
such as this. Better to make a start and iron out the
hiccups as you go along than do nothing at all.

I'm sure that Medicare wasn't perfect when it first
started - but where would we be without it today.

from banjo's quote...""ultimately service providers...LOL>>..will compete for the disability dollar, {/quote]""

yes folks its good old yanki medical service
where capitalists compete for the ream[oh plus the beurocracy

but lets read through the spin

""giving choice,""

[much like childcare?..that cost has doubled
EVERYTIME GOVT GIVES CASH..it goes to capitalist/beurocrats..NOT THE DISADVANTAGED*

"" improving outcomes and stimulating innovation""

dream on

i also seem to recall they can appoint a manager[agent]..to cream more off the top scam..[they just get bigger and bigger]..

currently states bear the full cost[billions]
govt comes in and offers a billion..but 650,000 is TO..start up beurocratic cash cow..[plus pensions and lunches/photops..mates rates..

a few good unionists in there a few capitalists..and next thing ya wifes a multimilionare[ala mrs rudd]..who cleaned up on howards ditching the COMMON WEALTH employment [ces]..service

[and now they get commision
FROM your wages..for 'finding your job']

just like the leeches are feeding off this new latest govt cash cow

OUG,
Please do not attribute those quotes to me, they came from an article written by one Anne Manne.

I am becoming increasingly wary of the accuracy of her figures and will try and check them out.

4.5 million disabled seems a lot, as does 760,000 'severely or profoundly disabled'.

She also says 360,000 will benefit from the NDIS, but what about the other 400,000 that miss out.

I cannot see how a government could introduce a scheme that only provides assistance for less than half of those in need.

i dont either
but thats what trials do[just like the 35 million trial in act [brobe].to alp pokies..in act]..thats a trial too..but some clubs are going to get millions.

everything is feather beding..like howards dental sceme for mates
like compulsory insurance cash cow to insurance[for COMPULSORY 3 rd party]..as if govt was formed to legislate commerce.

but we got that insurance conmpulsory[and yet others for bailing out super[compulsory of course..but with nice extra free govt cash[supposedly so the baby boomers dont bust the super system..

the lie that govt cant aford future pension..YET today..CAN PAY[both todays PLUS tomorrows SUPER*]so govt goes the growth stagedy..hoping to out ratio those recievingb our compulsorry super.

sorry bout saying you said it
but thanks for quoting it.

endless is the media destractions of swannie
while juliar is swanning arround in peace...red herings aplenty

whats the pm upto
how much gifting away today
[big noting herself on the big stage....with our COMPULSORY TAX* doll airs

OK, here is the report on which the government has based its policy. there should be plenty of accurate details about numbers and costs, etc it that.

http://www.pc.gov.au/projects/inquiry/disability-support/report

Next what is needed is the government policy, so we know exactly what is being proposed.

yes
the perversion of parlement is extreem
where first readings were actually read..not just the title..
but the intended affect/reasoning..AND ACTUAL LEGISLATION>>..read out...LOUD..like in the days reading led to proclamation...but despite parlement being on radio...they dont mention the content.

the play the spin..or play other games
media is cursed..with opinion-nayters..and commentaters..but lacks real content...[ie whats really being voted on..not just what the whip tells you]..

anyhow apart from us trying to change things within
any party is a lost choice[unless they supply all the detail]
and thats a thing all parties hide..

juliar knew the ndis offer was bogus[playing the media..feigning returning to roots]..like swannie trying to link up with what it sees as labour values[but its the glossy/tossy version of lnp/alp lap that persists..

the middle class yuppies
and the... too big .,.to be ignored..just in case they ,may fail[the squeaky wheel that gets the grease..trying to bankrupt govt..and privatise the rest...

alp failed the test*
[libs too and green is the colour we go just before we spew...]

Banjo asked 2 August 2012 10:23:29 AM:

> ... can anybody explain in simple terms just what the NDIS entails?

Not me, but I put "NDIS" into Google and the first link was to the Federal Government's National Disability Insurance Scheme (NDIS) website. That has a set of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) about the scheme and some more detailed documents: http://www.ndis.gov.au/about-an-ndis/frequently-asked-questions/

OK, I have googled extensively and cannot find the governments policy on the NDIS. I found the NDIS policy on privacy and, as tom pointed out, there is a FAQ page, which is nothing more than spin, there is no hard facts.

From the report, we find there are 680,000 profoundly and severely disabled. Of these 310,000 need some daily assistance in core tasks.

Some time back i recall the PM saying there would be a NDIS, but it would be a couple of years away. Now suddenly it is brought to the fore, so I ask why and the only answer I can see is that the PM is trying to gain some political kudos.

If the PM is so concerned about those with disabilities where is the policy?

I have seen estimates of costs ranging from $6 billion per year to $16 billion per year. So Belly is right, no one knows. Obviously the government has no idea how to finance it, if they are asking the states to contribute more than they do now.

Why promise something that you cannot deliver or pay for. Like if I could afford a Rolls Royce and then afford to service it.

I have a terrible feeling that the disabled are going to be seriouly let down by all this. I can see their hopes come crashing down.

yes it was a new low for juliar
needing a hit...as the kiddie stuff isnt working
so some damaged aussie..no worries..talk it up..then blame the states..when they realise its really out to shaft the states..and boost the polls

great one lap

Banjo, Saturday, 11 August 2012 5:21:24 PM:

>... cannot find the governments policy on the NDIS ...

The government's plan seems to be limited to the $1 billion in the last budget for a first stage to help 20,000 people: http://www.ndis.gov.au/about-an-ndis/federal-budget-2012-13/

But this has to cover the cost of setting up the National Disability Transition Agency. So it is not clear how much money will be left to actually help people.

>Why promise something that you cannot deliver or pay for. ...

It seems reasonable to start on a small scale and avoid some of the large scale mistakes of the past.

As an example of what not to do, about $1B has been spent on a national e-health record system, with no usable system being produced so far and no prospect of one: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1112/12rp03