pure/quote..""we progress....but....there is a concerted movement
to denigrate and demonise scientists and scientific agreement in connection with climate.""

to be fair..that athiestwarnmingst peer
with the funny eyes..[has any coped what has has?

comeon dear you used to be faiminded
but the ridicule heaped upon the DENEYERS*
thats a huge card mate

"" This seeks to paint them as frauds and charlatans
out for monetary gain or in cahoots with various organisations for control""

egsactly
and more of us have had media ridicule than you lot

wanting warming[then wanting climate..lo.l..change]
then wanting market mechano-isms..then geting a new tax

ionly paid by the worst 500
now 400 as they too get too big to fail

free polution credits
heck farmers are getting gren credits
but not me who has added an inch of carbon into my soil

yet farmers are the biggest poluters
[poluting not only carbon[from the soon to be taxed fuel]..not mentioned by either side

to the very fertilisers the put onto their crops
[its a greenhouse gas called laughing gas..[nitrouse oxide]
100 times worse than carbon [from the nitrogen you use to get ya flowers

HALF of that turns into nitous oxide

grow up
the truth dont need so much spin*

only 500 will pay the tax..yea right
but states have doubled the price of our power..while we been getting conned

CONNED*
the federal hand alp..holds us in a spin
the states alp..set up the state monopolies power providers
to empty your purse..by reaping in extra servives costs..for lol infastructure..[that will self destruct]*..

[cause just their state debt..is worse than greece]

Actually Poirot, when I hear academics, pronouncing on a subject with which I have experience, particularly when on our ABC, I find they are talking garbage at least 40%, & likely 60%, of the time.

Surely if you have deep knowledge of any subject you would have found the same.

Anty mate, perhaps you did not know it, but let me assure you that, fortunately it is us engineers, not scientists that design aircraft.

These engineers are far enough away from the professors who gave them some grounding in science, to have learned to put the wings in the right place. They have served very long apprenticeships in aircraft design, for many years after leaving those hollowed halls you so revere.

Let me put a little global perspective around this supposedly highly intellectual challenging of global warming science.
I recently returned from a couple of months travelling in Europe, USA and several Asian countries.
I discovered during my travel - from reading newspapers, talking to folk, reading letters to editors, etc, - that in Europe and Asia, the reality of AGW is fully accepted and the discussion is all about how much time we have to get things done and what should indeed be done.
Only in the USA and Australia is there this huge debate about whether scientists are being deceitful or stupid or whatever the current theory to explain away the facts is being used by the denialists.
And, - interesting parallel, it's only in the USA and Australia that right wing political parties have seen a short term potential political gain by stirring up a debate.
Most other countries have a bipartisan approach to acknowledging the need for action and any debate is over what is the best action, and in some cases, who pays.
So, two countries where there is a debate over whether the science is real and the same two countries where right wing political parties have made a political issue of it.
Coincidence?
I don't think so.
Anthony
http://www.osbervationpoint.com.au

When the Government chooses a man whose predictions have failed miserably time and time again to be a spokesman on climate change you know the evidence is paper thin.

Poirot

'intellectual giant who rejects the "reason","rationality" and "science" behind the theory of evolution.'

settle down. I would not expect such sarcasm from someone who betrays themselves as a wealth of knowledge. It is however in line with many warmist who have no logic to their arguements.

btw there are a lot more scientist than you would be willing to admit that share my view on evolution. Try asking a few questions instead of swallowing the dogmas that suit your world view. That would be a novel idea for you.

SPQR,

"However all the us's on this side of the house question & weigh everything at least twice a day."

It's great to know that OLO abounds with atmospheric physicists and palaeo-oceanographers, etc...

Hasbeen - you don't have deep knowledge on "this subject." - and I note climate scientists don't often pontificate on the subject of aircraft design.

It's okay, Poirot, I think Hasbeen got your comment confused with my reminiscence re aircraft, etc.
Which occurrence explains quite a bit, when one thinks about it.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoint.com.au