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I once sat next to an acquaintance on a flight from Sydney to Brisbane, during which he launched a tirade against "corrupt, incomptent scientists" in a discussion about global warming.
All this while we were having a cup of coffee, doing several hundred miles an hour at thirty thousand feet.
The irony was clearly lost on him, although I had a wry smile.
Belly's point reminded me of the episode.
How right he is to question the highly selective suspicion of science.
Anthony
http://www.observationpoin.com.au
Posted by Anthonyve, Friday, 13 July 2012 9:49:30 AM
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'Few of us find reason to question science on other issues.' Exactly right. Science was suppose to be about questioning, reasoning and testing. gw fails miserably on all three and that is exactly why so many swallowed it in the first place. Thankfully a few authenic scientist started to question the dogmas.
Posted by runner, Friday, 13 July 2012 10:00:12 AM
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"...gw fails miserably on all three..."

What a load of bilge...this coming from the intellectual giant who rejects the "reason","rationality" and "science" behind the theory of evolution.

Sheeeesh!
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 13 July 2012 10:17:12 AM
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Of course you can question particular aspects of science !
It is ridiculous to suggest that you cannot accept one part of
science and reject another.
Didn't Galileo do just that ?
He accepted the science of optics but rejected the current cosmology.

My skepticism is due to the GIGO that seems to be employed in the
computer models.
It has already been shown by the Upsalla group that the IPCC is using
duff data in their model.
They don't dispute it, they ignore it. Thats a worry !
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 13 July 2012 10:19:11 AM
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Bazz,

Of course questioning science is acceptable - it's the only way we progress....but....there is a concerted movement to denigrate and demonise scientists and scientific agreement in connection with climate. This seeks to paint them as frauds and charlatans out for monetary gain or in cahoots with various organisations for control.

The science, as we know, is never settled. However, when a majority chorus of scientifically literate people consistently reach consensus and are constantly lambasted as a collective entity, we should be asking ourselves "WHY?"
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 13 July 2012 10:45:15 AM
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Belly: "Few of us find reason to question science on other issues."
Poirot; “What a pertinent observation so succinctly put …yada yada yada

Let me try to solve the apparent paradox for you.

Firstly, you are both ABSOLUTELY correct (for once).

But, it is not really a paradox it only appears so because the definitions are blurred.

As birds of a feather flock together, the “us” referred to is the people Belly & Poirot cleave to.
So it is true that all the “us’s” that they meet question nothing.

Like Belly & Poirot & AnthonyV they :
Believe in AGW the apocalypse almighty,
Despoiler of heaven and earth:
And in the IPCC our only salvation
Who was conceived by the UN ,
Born of the scientific consensus ,
Suffered at the hands of the skeptics …
Who desire to crucify it

and anything else their party and preferred sources are in-Klined to tell them

However all the us’s on this side of the house question & weigh everything at least twice a day

“Don't think there are no crocodiles because the water is calm” :Japanese Proverb
Or, a modern version:
Don't think there are no Greenies around because there are no agitators.
Posted by SPQR, Friday, 13 July 2012 10:48:42 AM
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