Davidf/Paul 1405 a truth, one not to be avoided is here to see.
Each of you are greens, and in truth think differently.
Such is the nature of the greens, people, once flocked to them, but each bringing a different idea of what they joined/expected.
As you both,often, tell me of the faults of my party, but not often of yours walk with me here.
Post Rudd, is it not true the ALP has never been this low in the polls.
And in NSW maybe QLD, WA, soon SA, but underline NSW, have you ever seen my party looking this bad?
Forget policy's, I stand firmly by them, every one.
Greens are a leach party, feeding off Labor, haveing ten heads and ten sets of policy's, some quite mad.
Why are you afraid of us highlighting your true nature?
Why at Labors worst, are you not growing.
Again and again, you skip around the question, as if it is something ugly on the footpath.
WHY do far more fear your party than follow it?
Just one more question, it could have been twenty.
Is drowning at sea better than off shore processing?

Dear Belly,

Different Greens have different ideas. Sure. However, I don’t believe the differences are as great as in the faction ridden Labor Party. Actually the Labor Party is not one unified party. Right now the bankrupt NSW Labor Right is lambasting the Greens while Gillard works with them. Neither is the Coalition a unified bunch. The rural interests of the Nationals are not the same as the interests of the developers and the corporations. All political parties of any significant size or appeal are coalitions. Small parties such as the bible basher Family First, the Shooters and Fishers, the Sex Party and the Sustainable Population Party are one issue parties. The Greens like Labor and the Coalition are a real party with a number of issues. Sure, all members don’t agree on them all. What of it?

Then you ask the wrong question. You ask “Is drowning by sea better than off shore processing?” The US has millions of undocumented aliens who have come across the Caribbean Sea where some have drowned and across the Mexican border. The European Union has millions of undocumented aliens who have come across the Mediterranean Sea where some have drowned and across land borders. The US and the European Union have not found it necessary to set up detention camps in their own countries or processing centres in other countries. A better question is, “Why is the Australian government unwilling to adhere to the international Convention on Refugees?” as the Greens recommend.

The bankrupt Labor and Coalition would rather make the boat people an issue so they can appeal to endemic racism, prejudice and fear. Labor has done it with the White Australia policy which exploited fear of the Chinese. In the Nazi era Australia did not want Jewish refugees from Hitler and interned the few who got here at Dunera. The hysteria and prejudice repeat in the fuss over the boat people.

Pressing problems with the environment, jobs, education, housing etc. are ignored, and the appeal to fear and hate and the concern with getting elected override those real concerns.

I recently found the following on the web which
may be of interest:

"Neither major party has a viable policy that
can do what they say it will (on asylum seekers).
Neither major party can offer up any new perspective
or ideas. While other policies are available to be
tried, they are politically unacceptable to many
voters. So the endless rounds of accusations, recriminations
and failures will go on. The boats will keep coming.
People will keep dying. There's no end in sight."

"Different Greens have different ideas." !!

Comparing the Greens party rabble to anything serious has me ROFL. I really hadn't grasped the level of self-delusion until the last few posts. Not only do they have amazingly coherent policies on everything but also fill the vacuum left by the Democrats in KTBH. Who needs any other party?

Why anyone with a brain doesn't vote for them is a mystery.

Errr...the King has no clothes!

Looking forward to the next election, especially after seeing Hanson-Young's form on Q and A and hearing the Greens latest position on asylum seekers. OMG, just how detached from the electorate can a party get?

david f, you represent the Greens position on drowning beautifully, "accidents happen"!! Sheesh!

Davidf judging on nothing but your post history you seem a good bloke.
And just as lost as the party you are member of.
Greens are a sinking ship weighted down by policy's as unpopular as its two new leaders.
A ship of dreams those boarding come with as many ideas as waves in the sea.
Very nice to very stupid but varied.
Your quote on deaths at sea, Lexis quoted press story too are opinions not facts, BANK ON THIS a day will come, we maybe at the start, boats will stop, forever.
Your party let its self down, the death rattle can be heard, even felt.
In time you will look back and remember these days, Bob Brown took the heart , not that it was ever more than tin foil, out when he went.
It will be decade post Gillard, till a woman leads any party to victory and never for the lost greens.

Belly says, and says, and say "Greens are a sinking ship"

Belly's dream world. No evidence just wishful think on his part. Unlike Belly I post some statistics which clearly show the ALP is heading for oblivion, while at worst The Greens are holding their own.

The Primary vote:

Federal Election 2007 ALP 43% Greens 8%
Federal Election 2010 ALP 38% Greens 12%
Federal Newspoll 2012 ALP 30% Greens 12%

NSW Election 2007 ALP 39% Greens 9%
NSW Election 2011 ALP 26% Greens 10%
NSW Newspoll 2012 ALP 24$ Greens 11%

VIC Election 2006 ALP 43% Greens 10%
VIC Election 2010 ALP 36% Greens 11%
VIC Newspoll 2012 ALP 32% Greens 17%

QLD Election 2009 ALP 42% Greens 8%
QLD Election 2012 ALP 27% Greens 8%

Belly if you truly believe The Greens ship is sinking. Tell me how is the Labor Party dinghy fairing SUNK! with all hands loss.

Belly I know you will not comment on the above stats, to painful for you, but they destroy your illusion, sorry. I think the ALP's high water mark was in 2007. With all of its criminality and incompetence in the last 5 years Labor has literally lost millions of votes and is heading for oblivion across Australia. As I said Labor would be lucky to win a seat on the Bong Bong Council even if they were the only candidate.