"I am probably an early mover, it was Keating, the left & the greens that moved me to Howard."
Look, Hasbeen was once a radical. In your radical days, did you run around calling every one "comrade", waving a red flag emblazoned with a hammer and sickle, singing The Internationale. I can't believe it Hasbeen you voting for that bolshei commie, lefty Bob The Silver Bodgie. Surly, you must have been possessed by the evil spirit of Lenin or some such demon.
Hasbeen please don't make this indiscretion of yours public, otherwise they will tear up your membership of One Nation and there will be no more happy greeting card from Jim Saleam on the 20th April each year. Sad so very sad, I feel for you.

No matter what spin labor will put on it, and regardless who takes the seat, the result in the by election in the 'safe' state seat of Melbourne yesterday was an out and out disaster for Labor. In a seat, that is located in the middle of supposedly Labor's heartland, and one which the ALP has continuously held for over 100 years, the ALP appear to have failed to even top the first preferences, trailing the Greens Cathy Oke by about 1000 votes. All this is despite the plethora of right wing ratbags and Labor stooges in the capacity field and despite the million dollar campaign staged by the ALP and the fact that Labor is in opposition which traditionally works in that parties favor. Labor are looking at a 5% swing from the 2010 election. At best the ALP will retain the seat with preferences from the ratbag right, Family First, DLP, CDP and Labor independent stooges.
Looking forward to The Greens battle with Labor in the NSW state by election for the seat of Heffron, which has been vacated by the 'hair doo'. The Greens are running an extremely competent candidate in Mehreen Faruqi up against the ALP's crusty old Mayor of Botany Councillor Ron. Despite a 15% swing in 2011 Keneally held the seat comfortably for Labor by their standards.

I see! to win is a loss.
To out spend Labor, but using the life blood of the greens PREFERENCES to win is wrong.
Bring on the NSW one.

Belly, you are in La La Land when it comes to reading political results. Your party is struggling to hold a safe seat, in a by election, in the middle of a conservative governments term. your party suffered a 5% swing against it. The happiest person in Victoria this morning would be Ted Baillieu. The new ALP strategy to win office is on the backs of Family First, One Nation, the DLP, the happy clappers, Australia First and a micro collection of other right wing ratbags. Your leader wont be having week;y meetings with Bob Brown but rather with Jim Saleam and members of National Action. LOL.
I am happy with what is happening to the ALP, loosing its identity, jettisoning its principles as it shifts farther to the right. This presents the Greens as the real alternative to the collection of right wing parties. I can see the day coming when the second Labor split eventuates. The disillusioned Labor left will find a new home with us Greens. This time around it may not be a big bang but a slow decline. labor has been in decline for 5 years now with no evidence of any reversal.
Belly, I do not expect the Greens to win Heffron, just more of undermining Labor. it will be another test of Labor's standing in the community, or lack of.

Paul 1405 your posts are becoming more like arjays.
You both insult those who do not agree with you.
Given a new Labor leader is assured,and soon, how do you think that will impact on your party?
Talking leadership, are you aware apart from young women you new leadership is a plague on your popularity?
Given at least, half of Labors problem, other than Gillard,is Greens how will you go next year.
Are you insulting my words or fearing they may be true.