I would let them drive SM, but not the car I was in.
Long ago gave up drinking with drunks.
Not much fun and not the need to be seen half silly I once had.
So I would safely be in another suburb.
I see no reason to praise the greens, last decade has unmasked them as ten party's in one bit like a long term social group, feeding different levels different versions of the truth.
Greens should note, the current war on them was not mine, the actions of two heedless women, on boat people finally woke the country up.
They want to dictate .
Lady's! while nothing you do can save you boat now, it is clear Australians do not need another pair of domineering mums.

It is obvious from the weekends machinations that the ALP has resigned itself to the fact it will be spending the proverbial 'next 40 years wandering in the wilderness', both federally and at a state level. Gillard is so toxic she couldn't win a seat on the Bong Bong council, even if she was the only candidate. Robinson will be pushing up daisies long before NSW see's Labor in power in Macquarie Street again. The pair can thank the NSW right for much of the parties woes
When I was a member of the Labor Party there were those within the party who had turned back stabbing into an art form. The right stabbed the left, the left stabbed the right, the right stabbed the right and so on and so on. Now days, no pretense is required when stabbing, Labor people just stab each other in the back, front, side anywhere at all. Just take a look at this so called conference they held over the weekend, see who was stabbing who.
Talking with Greens at a meeting yesterday, it was unamused that none of use gave a rats about what Labor decides to do with their preferences at the next election, Federal Labor can give all 3 preference votes they are going to have to the NAZI Party or to anyone they so desire, we just don't care.
It is my view, and it has been long before this Labor blow up, that we Greens should preference progressive Liberals over right wing ALP candidates, and where both Liberal and Labor are conservatives, have an open ticket. We should still strongly support the Labor left, the little there is. Like NSW and Qld Labor the Federal parliamentary party will be able to hold their caucus meetings in a phone box after the next election, all us Greens should do is make sure the box doesn't get to crowded.

I am beginning to believe that this is all about posturing. The NSW conference after all the huffing and puffing resolved not to "automatically" preference the greens. Federal Labor has been silent.

With nearly 50% of the primary vote of Labor, Labor would be obliterated if it broke up the alliance. I see that Milne is making more demands, and I guess we will see the tail wagging the dog for a long time.

Here Sir is the very bottom, of the barrel.
Tell me it is not true.
You as I do, dislike and distrust the Greens.
In fact if it was not for the benefit they indirectly give your team, you would be pleased, as I would to see them gone.
Am I right so far?
Conference said as much as it dare.
For now.
Yes SOME element of get Gillard is behind the airing of this issue.
I approve of both the get Gillard and the issue.
Glebe, little known out side NSW can get no quorum at ALP meetings!
We have ceded our roots to greens, Gillard and the lost.
But it is early, SM if it takes prefferenceing each other, making next years a first past the post election, your side too must target these fleas on democracy.
Mine, first out of the box is and will continue.
PS
Good morning

I must admit that this is playing into the coalition's hands. One of the main attacks on labor has to paint it green. This fight to differentiate Labor from the greens is putting Gillard's signed alliance with then in stark contrast.

If this fails and Labor goes back into the cosy preference deal with the greens, Abbott will have a field day. On the other hand, without greens preferences, Labor is equally screwed.

It would appear that the cancer may have grown to the point of being inoperable.

It is my opinion, to steal a Labor line, 'its time' we Greens should set ourselves a couple of objectives. 1. Double our primary vote within 5 years. 2. Form the first Green government in Australia, state or federal within 10 years.

How to achieve these objectives:

Step 1 Encourage the installation of conservative governments where ever possible. Destabilising Labor oppositions by ensuring the conservatives have maximum control and the Labor opposition is reduced to an infighting, noisy rabble, seen by votes as a nonviable alternative. Like we see now in NSW.

Step 2 Ensure Green policies have broad voter appeal, without compromising the parties core principles. Articulate policy clearly. All the time gaining support for those policies, which will translate into votes.

Sorry that there is no room for the ALP right in my opinion. No problem, they will find a home with the other conservatives.