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More refugees in Indonesian water to Australia

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<<the TV show "border security" on it if someone declares they have a criminal conviction the immigration and airport manager do a big song and dance about how they have to protect the rights and safety of Australians>>

But it seems every time ASIO finds an “asylum seeker” to be a security risk it’s the refugee industry that does the big song and dance telling us how unjust it all is.

However, the real weakness/fault is this – and it applies equally to BOTH Labor & Liberal administrations --even when our processes find fault with the claimants.It is highly likely that despite all the breast-beating and noise on our part. They will not be expelled and they will not be held in indefinite detention.But secretly and slyly be released into the community after all the attention has gone elsewhere.

As appears will be the case with the “failed” Iranian “asylum seekers” –see below:
“More than 40 per cent of asylum seekers who arrived by boat in the past year were Iranians and, of the ones assessed, about two-thirds have had their application for refugee status rejected…Asked if releasing failed asylum seekers into the community was an option, Mr Bowen said: 'Yeah. And that would be on some sort of bridging visa which would be to say, 'when we are able to return you to Iran, then you would be returned'."[ Now,if you believe the last bit about them being returned to Iran “when we are able” you’ll believe in fairies at the bottom of garden!]
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/more-than-a-thousand-iranians-risk-languishing-for-years-in-detention/story-e6freuy9-1226180501361

So in the end they all get what they sought --BY DEFAULT
[and, we wonder why we can't stop the boats!]
Posted by SPQR, Thursday, 5 July 2012 11:26:11 AM
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As far as I understand this current situation Australia
is working with Indonesia's Maritime Search and Rescue
agency to help. Initially this particular boat with
180 people on board was about 50 nautical miles (80
kilometeres) South West of Panaitan - a small island of the
western end of the main Java island. However by the afternoon
it had drifted 130 kilometeres of Christmas Island.

Indonesian planes and navy ships found it very difficult
to assist due to bad weather conditions and very rough seas
off Indonesia. They finally returned home as the small boat
moved closer to Christmas Island and the Australian Navy
responded by keeping an eye on the boat after their distress
call. All ships according to Maritime law are obligated to
respond to distress calls.

We can criticise and finger point and be disgusted as much as
we like. However no matter which government is in power they
will have to end up working with Indonesia to resolve this
regional problem. This is a complex issue and working with
one's neighbours it would seem - should be part of the
solution to this problem. The Prime Minister has no choice
in this matter. And neither would the Opposition - were they
to win the next election. The problem is not about to go
away any time soon.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 5 July 2012 11:26:48 AM
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Lexi you are wrong the Prime Minister has a choice an easy one some people may not like it.
As long as we keep our navy and planes right next to Indonesia they will always used as a taxi service but if they are withdrawn and Indonesia is left to look after their own waters they will keep coming'
They will now call Australia as soon as they get a little way of land.
I believe that boat would have turned around had it not had our boats next to it.
Indonesia do not want to stop them, do you honestly think in Indonesia you could congregate up to 180 foreigners and the police don't know.
I also believe they do not want to rescue them because then they would have to take them back to Indonesia.
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 5 July 2012 11:43:57 AM
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After Australia screwed over Indonesia with the stupid ban on live cattle exports, this is Indonesia's pay back. Today the People smugglers just have to push out from land and call for the Australian valet service.

This problem will be sorted out within 6 months of a Coalition government assuming power.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 5 July 2012 11:48:13 AM
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Lexi you are wrong the Prime Minister has a choice an easy one some people may not like it.
As long as we keep our navy and planes right next to Indonesia they will always be used as a taxi service, but if they are withdrawn and Indonesia is left to look after their own waters that may stop some coming.
We pay million to keep the navy and planes their but they do nothing but provide an incentive to try.
They will now call Australia as soon as they get a little way of land.
I believe that boat would have turned around had it not had our boats next to it.
Indonesia do not want to stop them, do you honestly think in Indonesia you could congregate up to 180 foreigners and the police don't know.
I also believe they do not want to rescue them because then they would have to take them back to Indonesia.
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 5 July 2012 11:52:42 AM
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Dear Philip,

What I do know is that Parliament voted to give
a compromise solution a chance for 12 months.
Even though this was passed in the House of Reps,
the Senate led by the Coalition and the Greens vetoed
this attempt. Now that is something that should indeed
disgust us all!

With the visit
of Indonesia's President to Australia the Government
is apparently trying to work towards resolving this
problem regionally. Therefore Australia is working
with Indonesia's Maritime Search and Rescue Agency.
I do believe that bad weather and
very rough seas did contribute to the failed rescue
attempts in this case.
Posted by Lexi, Thursday, 5 July 2012 1:39:20 PM
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